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@tinks wrote:
Bugger!!!……..I was hoping to have collected the ‘most posted drivel’ award
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Quality will out tinks . . .. =D> =D> =D> =D> :- =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> :- :- =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> :- :- :- =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> :-
I think the current legal are probably adequate. The problem with all laws is the enforcement – will it achieve it’s aim? I don’t think a total ban would proportionately improve the actual road accident figure. We now have a figure which has been tried and tested over decades. My gut instinct is that total ban would probably turn out to be more of a gesture than a real improvement.
It would accelerate the change the face of British culture and close even more pubs. It wouldn’t affect the number of road accidents due to tiredness, inattentiveness, aggression, incompetence or just random error.
I think far greater improvement is likely to come from social changes to our attitudes to driving rather than drinking, not just on the part of drivers but also cyclists and pedestrians, many of whom seem to think they are invulnerable.
@irish_lucy wrote:
Its kinda funny for me to read this thread, your in the same boat we were last year.
And were still in the shìt with no sign of it lifting.One thing is clear from this thread, your Government have won – they have divided the private and public sectors and noone is putting blame where it truly belongs – back on the Government and bankers.
I bloody am! :-… :-… :-…
@mrs_teapot wrote:
A pension contract that is unsustainable.. and a burden on tax payers…… there is simply not enough money in the pot. Private pensions have lost value not just in this country but throughout the world why do the public sector feel they are immune to the problems the rest od us have to face??… common sense should prevail here… if people conclude you are greedy it maybe you should consider what the rest of the developed world is having to accept.
You could argue that everything spent out the taxpayers’ pockets is a burden. We should be suspicious of the government’s motives. Public servants are taxpayers too – more diligent through PAYE, VAT and other duties than many of the self employed claiming the moral high ground while making use of every possible exemptions and more.
This is not a competition though. It’s funny how this government describes criticism of the rich as ‘envy’ and excuses huge salaries and bonuses on the basis of attracting talent, but then expresses what can only be called envy of people looking for a proportionately comfortable pension that they were promised and paid for. Private pensions have suffered largely because they were paid into funds which were vulnerable to raids by investors, shareholders and employers, either through greed or to compensate for financial mismanagement.
Unless two wrongs now make a right, it is at the very least dishonourable for the Government to effectively raid civil service pensions as a gesture to cover up their own and previous governments’ ineptitude – a gesture because they’re bound to spend any money saved on something stupid.
Public pensions, although contributed to and accounted for, come out of current tax receipts. There is no “pot” or fund and the pensions are liable for tax when paid out. The contributions and the “affordability” are in many ways notional but represent an agreement with the government and people of what is still the 4th richest country in the world.
It seems we can afford emergency Royal Weddings and that it’s OK to combat the “deficit” with a revamped student loan scheme which we later admit will make no bloody difference at all to the nation’s income other than burden millions of ordinary people.
In UK Government-speak “unaffordable” means “I don’t think we should spend money on this” it doesn’t mean the money is not there, as we’ll all find out come the next big government folly – Olympics anyone?
@yvonne wrote:
what about derek hatton? actually he was shafted big time by the tory goverment
Had a lot of respect for him in the old days, seemed a man of principle and was up against my favourite evil-doers – the T****s
Saw him recently on telly, wot a tosspot he’s turned into! Not that he cares what I think of him.
@thin ice wrote:
@Wordsworth50 wrote:
As many have said, how come n the teeth of the self-same recession, a day off for a strike is ruinous etc, but a day off for a Royal wedding is essential?
want that a national bank holiday
the masses enjoyed the day off
and it didnt hold the rest of the country to ransom did it
thousands of parents had to take time off today through no fault of their own
while those with jobs in the public secter try to derail this wonderfull country
same on you you lazy gits :evil:it wasn’t a bank holiday until the government declared it for the wedding. Why can’t the same parents who had that day off just “enjoy” this day off?
@jen_jen wrote:
I’m in agreement with both Ruby and Mrs T here.
It’s hard to feel sympathy with public sector workers striking for changes to their pensions when they will still have better pensions, better working conditions and better job security than many in the private sector even in these troubled times. And just like Mrs T, I’ve worked in the public sector, private sector and am now self-employed.
As for the impact on us, it won’t be as bad as a bout of bad weather when airports close completely, schools close, offices close and so on.
P.S. I’ve just had a couple in the shop, pensioners, and their question…we worked all our lives, our pensions are worth less and less, who’s going to strike for us?
The reality is that the fight for a better state pension was and is fought for by trades unionists.
Something to watch for: This is a landmark battle, as this government tries to earn credibility amongst its desired supporters. Expectations of what makes a decent pension are created by average people – like the teachers, carers, caretakers, recyling workers etc who are striking today. So the erosion of public sector pay and pensions will be followed, not by parity, but by further erosion of those in the private sector.
@rubyred wrote:
Trade Unions: the people who brought you the weekend, health & safety at work, capped working hours, employment rights and protection, fair wages and pensions, maternity and paternity rights, injury and sickness benefits, paid holidays and put an end to child labour. What a bunch of greedy bastirds.
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As many have said, how come n the teeth of the self-same recession, a day off for a strike is ruinous etc, but a day off for a Royal wedding is essential?
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@kent f OBE wrote:
You know when the time is right, so why does it feel so wrong?
If it feels wrong then either the time isn’t right or the act isn’t right.
Or maybe feelings aren’t infallible and it will feel all right once you get used to the idea . . . .
