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Will John Prescott be auditioning for the part of Jabba the hut does anyone know?

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Slayer, most bus lanes are empty for most of the day whilst cars are bumper to bumper in the solitary lane next to them

We have a classic example here which is a new bypass built just 5 years ago, when it opened traffic flowed smoothly throughout all rush hours bar one main exit to dudley which was left a single carriageway despite being the only path to quite a major town

Since then traffic lights have been added at every island on that road along with speed cameras and some pedestrican crossing and one set of lights purely to provide access to a warehouse despite there being an island a mere hundred yards further down the road that often stops traffic when nobody is turning

With all of these measures to AID traffic flow there are now traffic jams every morning and every night in both directions, this sort of bad planning is going on nationwide and if not a deliberate plan to create the illusion of congestion above its actual level is one hell of a coincidence at the same time the government have moved their focus from pullution whrre they have lost any credence in their arguement onto congestion which is the new snake oil for raising taxes

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I think line 1 was his mum checking he’d put clean trollies on, so there might have only been 12 really

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Lesbians arent demonised as a collective group are they?

The pretty slim ones are ace and pad out my dvd collection to perfection, so its only the hob nail boot wearing bull dyke axminster mucners that get demonised really their girlfriends (the pretty feminine ones) rarely do at all :lol:

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“I’m not a number I’m a person” prisoner 13 was reported as saying in an interview earlier today……

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Picking up on an earlier point

“noun an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexuals”

A phobia tp annything is an IRRATIONAL aversion, but unless you are going to create words like rapistaphobia, paedophileaphobia and the like I think we can ignore what academics would like us to think about people who dont like gays

Thinking all gay people will try to hit on you IS an irrational aversion

But not approving of what they do on moral or taste grounds isnt “irrational”, its quite the opposite infact, its a preference and an opinion

The word homophobe only applies to people with such irrational reasons for dusliking them and not to people who dislike them on preference, moral grounds, religious grounds or just because they dont agree with it in a biological or sexual sense

And merely disliking them does no more or less harm to them than them being gay does to the people who dislike them, so each can coexist most of the time with the other without incident

Just because YOU dont share a view DOESNT in any reality but yours make it an irrational one, just differing tastes and viewpoints simple as

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Well whizzing through superficially the government is selectively representing the issue

They have moved away from pollution as the excuse to tax motorists and have started on cost and congestion

The premise itself is flawed as motorists tax is diverted so only a fraction is spent on roads and this has gone on for decades so rather than a burden to the tax payer motorists are keeping a wasteful one afloat

Congestion is being rapidly created NOT by the claimed increase in cars, but my hundreds of thousands of lost road miles all over the country to cycle lanes, bus lanes, crossings and other traffic obstacles reducing road size and stealing entire lanes in a road system that needed to be bolstered 30 years ago but wasnt

The financial angle they are presenting is the loss to business because of congestion,

1 this ONLY happens if a vehicle IS caught in it
2 where its an employee commuting most are docked pay or work late anyway
3 it could be avoided with flexhours schemes anyway
4 they conveniently avoid mentioning how much of that is due to road works for pedestrian crossings, traffic lights, cycle lanes, bus lanes etc etc etc

But introduce the charging system and business STILL gets hit financially, but then its every single business whether they are caught in traffic, run vehicles or not and those costs ripple onto any business they then deal with and eventually to the consumer

Social points

People dont now work and live all their life near where they were born

The social effects include but wouldnt be linked to

Added time commuting, which will curtail peoples social life, time and energy for parenting, for maintaining family bonds etc

Add 4 hours travelling instead of one hours drive to a 10 or 12 hour day and then see how good a parent that person will be

Single parents with several kids who are priced out of cars wont be able to cover a 15 minute drive to drop one child off at one activity and make it to pick another up elsewhere when it entails a one hour commute for the same thing

Family weekend trips for people on low wages will become as much a luxury as a holiday is when just the road tax alone is a hundred quid to go to the seaside

Every item we buy will be affected by increases in transportation and increased wages that would need to be paid, which again ripples down

Many low paid jobs have non reasonable hours, and the public transport system doesnt accomodate safety or ease of travel past peak times

The stregnth of family is already falling apart, but as more people move hundreds of miles for work this will be stretched even further

And then theres tourism, day activities like alton towers, commuting as part of a social life and people being able to date long distance, all of which will be negatively effected

These are just specific and isolated examples, but each represents a whole section of social things that will be impacted on by a road toll

And all this on the back of the fraud of taking tax from motorists under the guise of it being for the cost of the roads and then diverting most of it eslewhere

if the money had been ringfenced to begin with we would have the best motorway system in the world and billions still in the bank unspent

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Right, well firstly asian is a race, and the smelly person could have been from any of the cuntries you mentioned plus countless you didnt

But unless you can show me where I said ALL people from asia who are asian smell of curry youre “stereotyping” comment is no more than brainwashed left wing reactionary knee jerk rhetoric as I was if you check talking about an individual person, not a race, not a continent and not a subset of asians defined by country, religion or any other seperator

To see tge stereotyping you need to read your post and the sweeping assumptions and selective interpretation you CHOSE to make with regards what I’d actually written and then try again really

As for what it has to do with their sexuality, nothing other than making it harder to get laid, but although the example here IS sexuality, the mechanism and interaction is one common to a whole host of topics from sexism to racism and pretty much any “ism” where people selectively like one group based on their traits but not another

“But as most men find oral (and anal) sex a distinctly pleasurable experience when with a woman, then your dislike is because the man is gay NOT the act he enters”

Again a convenient and selective interpretation, for many its not as simple as it JUST being anal, although many straight men and women DO find that act abhorrent even when done by straight folks, but to many the idea of same sex intercourse IS abhorrent to them for a variety of reasons all as valid to them as the next as its a personal opinion, view, feeling and doesnt need to pass scrutiny to be allowable

But where someone doesnt like gays because of the anal sex thing they ARE disliking gays for being gay as its pretty much a modal occurence for them, they would also dislike straight people who do it, but thats a different dislike even tho theres commonality but is only applied to a specific subset

Where someone just morally disagrees with homosexuality they do dislike gays just for being gay, but when someone says that is an invalid dislike and asks them to be more liberal then they are being a hypocrit as they are incapable of being liberal to THAT persons dislikes and likes equally

It really isnt a hard concept to grasp, honest

And

“because your comments are ludicrously laughable”

Makes most of my points for me as its exactly what I was describing throughout lol, so cheers for writing that

As a point of fact tho, being or not being on a message board for long periods of time proves or disproves nothing more than wasting vast amounts of time being on a message board, and apart from this one being one of the slowest I have ever seen its no different to any of the other ones I am or have been on

So try not to over stereotype eh? It just makes you seem a bit silly when criticising the act whilst doing it and doing it extremely poorly and innacurately into the bargain

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But that is in itself a closed minded view, its just conveniently portrayed as tho it isnt

Its based on people deciding its not ok to dislike members of certain groups BECAUSE they are members of different groups

As an example, suppose someone finds an asian who smells of curry because its its staple diet repulsive because of that smell. They would be criticised, called a racist, told to be more tolerant etc

But were it a white person that smelt the same no problem disliking them

If someone dislikes gay men because they find the act of anal sex or other things they majoratively do abhorrent that would also be the same were a straight or bi person doing them, but the brainwashed folks would still disagree with them disliking “gays” even tho the dislike isnt JUST because they are gay, but is because of a trait or facet of that gayness

My personal dislikes are with mincers, something that even other gays often find annoying and with gays who constantly point out theyre gay as tho they are gay first and people second

I make no apologies for those dislikes nor will I pretend I dont have them just to appease the idiots who think we should all love all the ickle gay folks JUST because they are gay

Disliking an entire subset on such a premise or liking them on one is no different, both are idiotic mandates but one is selectively and deliberately portrayed as being different and more enlghtened when it isnt

Actual open mindedness allows for an individuals right to dislike gays just for being gay in the same way it allows for the gays being gay to begin with

But claiming to support a gays right to be how they are but not a person who dislikes gays EQUAL right IS bigotted, close minded and not liberal in the slightest because its selective and seeks to enforce a value system onto other people making it completely contradictive and hypocritical in its misconception and application

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I think that perhaps you should stop bending over and taking whatever the media wants to slip you and try dusting of your brain and using it to think freely and without direction about things personally and then, just maybe you MIGHT be able to grasp the seriousness of the impact road pricing would have on society

Chances are you might not tho from the sound of your thread, but I’m always the optimist

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