[ubermik]

Well its a possibility, but it does seem a bit too convenient really but if I live to be a thousand I’ll never agree with innocent people (well men really innit) being named before any guilt whatsoever has been factually established

If it turns out this bloke didnt do it AND hes lucky enough not to be railroaded into jail anyway just to wrap the case up his life is now permanently ruined no matter how conclusively its proven he didnt do it

[ubermik]

Well thats not exactly true either is it?

They function on the application of guilt, otherwise their collection plates would be empty of they would be handing out money at each sitting rather than collecting it, although the method of extortion is more subtle its just as effective

But many forms of christian religion also DO give a slice of their income to the church, as do mormons, muslims and countless other well known religions and it IS an obligation with them rather than a choice btw

Religions like catholicism just focus on brainwashing people with the virtue of “giving” and in instilling a strong sense of guilt for not giving till it hurts (excuse the pun lol), which makes it a bit more devious and much more psychologically biased

Applying the same difference to people in general, I would have much more respect for someone who just asked for money than for someone who tried to manipulate me into offering it to them personally

[ubermik]

And the catholic church is quite literally riddled with kiddy fiddlers, yet nobody condemns the entire religion because of that do they?

Perhaps catholocism is merely the very first organised paedophile ring? That would explain why they chose to interpret the religious texts to imply celibacy with the opposite gender when other faiths interpretting the same texts didnt I guess

The thing is, if you wanted to enough you could pick any religion or group and show it as having more holes than a lump of swiss cheese if you wanted to whether that group is a political party, a religion or a cult

I dont really think either of those are particularly dissimilar, or much better or worse than each other and all three meet pretty much every one of the tests for a cult as well as all three having more than enough black sheeps within them to be singled out and demonised. The difference is its only encouraged against cults and occassionally against political parties

But all three brainwash followers, two of the three clearly segregate them and none of the three benefit their followers with the money they collect from them in any real sense so really they aere more similar than different

But to see that you have to not be overly affiliated with either as that begets bias irrespective of which of the three someone does have a leaning towards

[ubermik]

I cant, I really dont think its as transparently obvious as you seem to

Trees arent CO2 scrubbers, its not their designated purpose and if it were they would all be ever green and would never loose a leaf to avoid the counter productivity of that

Firstly I dont even know if CO2 is lighter or heavier than air, so how much CO2 a tree would actually come into contact with just isnt known to begin with

As leaves are a solid molecular mass, AND as I dont know what percentage of the leaf breaks down into CO2 how much one tree would produce, nor how much would come into contact with it when it did have leaves (seeing as its the rotting leaves that cause the CO2) is also unknown

So, they could have the bulk of their leaves when theres very little CO2 for them to come into contact with, and then have no leaves to clean the air with when theres loads of CO2 around them because its their deciduated foliage thats causing the CO2 to begin with

So for trees to be a good CO2 scrubber they would either need to grow in the sea of in volcanos (which they dont) or have leaves all year round to scrub the CO2 their own leaves produce, because by the time they are causing the CO2 they arent capable of cleaning the air anyway

So as I said, it could go either way on balance, but I would guess they about equal each other out on average whereas other forms of plants dont cause as much CO2 but still clean the air, so maybe its lawns or stinging nettles rather than trees we ought to be planting

[ubermik]

Well I dont even thing god in a french maids outfit would actually be god as I think religion in general is a mental crutch for the weak minded

That said tho, lets carry on as if the bible wasnt a fictional compilation of exagerations. If the actual jesus himself was alive today he would most likely be treated as, viewed as and quite possibly would even consider himself as a god. Which depending on the religion you follow is incorrect as many believe he was merely a prophet anyway so it would be a bit delusional

The thing is that many of the modern religions/cults dont have an oldy worldy view of a god anyway, a lot of them them lean more towards paganish concepts of god with every cell of every person being part of “god” rather than god being a separate entity, many others quite clearly state they are a means to get closer to god without that meaning its the figurehead even tho thats how many choose to interpret it and yet more arent even about a religions form of spiritual improvement anyhoo. But are more akin to a personal development along the lines of Anthony Robbins

To be quite honest, a lot of the feverish claptrap spouted about cults 1. comes from people who are members of the competition and 2. sound about as balanced as the way people reacted to rock and roll when that was new as THAT was claimed to be the spawn of the devil and was rumoured to possess young minds and make them evil etc etc causing some quite horrifying modern day occurences as a result intellectually on a par with witch burning

Answering the questions tho, YES, many if not most shrinks are a waste of space as they deal in reality adjustment on an ever decreasing scale rather than more modern methodologies such as cognitive behavioural therapy which is a much more effective approach

Considering the ridiculously biggotted view americans have re cults even tho many of their evangelist style religions are no better would mean a lie detector might not be enough, I think they should also have the metal scanners too just incase an undercover conscript has a gun

As for the new church roof, lets look at catholocism for a second, it regularly asks extremely poor people to hand over money for such things when its actually one of the richest institutions in the world with quite literally trillions of pounds worth of assets and billions of pounds in cash, bonds and bullion

Yet it needs to exploit the poor to pay for a friggin roof? Yeah right lol

Thats a bit like bill gates asking a tramp if he has change for a cup of tea

[ubermik]

Well if I thought it produced “more” I would have said that earlier

I do think its quite possible the two could pretty much equal out tho

But that said, nature is about equilibrium and balance, thats the whole point of an ecosystem after all

And as other forms of plany will produce little to no CO2 but loads of oxygen compared to trees I suppose to keep the balance it is quite likely that trees do produce more than they scrub from the air on average as it would hardly mean we ended up gasping for air lol

Basically I dont have a clue, theres possible logical arguements and practicalities to both extremes, but I’d be inclined to guess they were more likely to balance themselves out pretty much

[ubermik]

Well firstly I;ve also never ever seen a single member of any group classed as a cult stalking anyone, so I’d have to take that as conjecture in the absence of proof really

Secondly, “people” are members of cults and religions, and even non religious non cult memberish type folks stalk people so its not an exclusive trait only practised by cult members, therefore even if there are instances of it we dont actually know that the person(s) wouldnt have been stalking people anyway even if they hadnt joined

Theres also the ingendered response, we dont actually know what has been called and even prosecuted as stalking actually was

People have varying tolerances of others based on their liking of them, one persons appreciated visits would be a less liked persons stalking or harrassment

Lastly, christians, muslims AND jews are all known for ostracising family members, and converted jews, muslims and some born again christians quite commonly disown their families due to them not being pure enough to associate with

So that isnt exactly a rareity either

[ubermik]

Actually they might not do

Trees themselves account for a very small percentage of the worlds greenery, with most of it being various forms of grasses or weeds all of which also produce oxygen

Also bearing in mind that many trees spend a lot of the year without leaves anyway

So if trees did produce the same amount of oxygen as CO2 we wouldnt suffocate anyway as they are far from being the only source of oxygen, and nature does seem to have a thing about balance

But if you go back and read what I wrote properly you will also see I didnt “tell you” anything, I simply put it forward as a distinct possibility, one you are as unlikely to be able to disprove as I would be to prove it

But unless trees collectively produce more than 15% of the planets oxygen their CO2 contribution matches it

[ubermik]

Infact, if we ignore the fact youre probably a woman for a moment and you try to look at it logically

More trees would only equate to more oxygen IF they werent also producers of CO2 as then they would be converting more CO2 from elsewhere into oxygen, but as they do produce a hell of a lot of CO2 more trees would produce more oxygen, but would also be causing more CO2 proportionately

So chances are they would pretty much balance each other out

[ubermik]

Well

firstly DONT call me shirley :wink:
thirdly, wheres secondly? :shock:
secondly, oh, there it is
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fourthly, well I would have thought that too, but it isnt the case

The CO2 producers league table top three were volcanoes, the sea and leaves all of which produced much much more CO2 than all of mankind is or has ever produced and between them account for about 80-90% of the CO2 thats produced

I cant remember exactly, but I think rotting folliage accounts for about 15% whereas mankind produces about 6% of the overall total

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