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@johnboy25 wrote:

According to the news, they arrive at 12.30 today. Going back to what PB said about how they wouldn’t leave without her, I wonder how heavy the luggage will be….

I’d actually be more curious about whether they have any “carrion” luggage haha :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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@ubermik wrote:

Maybe they will just move to another hot holiday location and wait there till the next kid they lose is found :lol: :lol: :lol:

pml. :lol:

OMG, you cold heartless woman :lol: :lol:

How on earth can you find humour in that, I was being totally serious lol :wink:

Any bets on how long before their book is published? “McParenting with the Mcanns”

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@Bad Manners wrote:

Portugese Police of course. Must be true.

You and your ilk are the ONLY people claiming ANYTHING is “true” lol, but obviously youre a bit too thick to realise that

Total innability to see all but ONE possibility is by default claiming that ONE possibility IS the actual one

Youre the one making totalitarian statements of there being no doubt about the details here, even tho you have nothing whatsoever to base that assumption on

The people youre accusing of “wildly” speculating ARE in fact JUST doing that, speculating POSSIBLE scenarios based on POSSIBLE signs or incongruences, which in a logical bode plot of associative probability is a very commonly used methodology of theorising

Whereas just “simply” (which is SOOOOO the perfect word) clinging in a complete and absolute lack of any facts of logic to ONE thought based on nothing but a feeling is not only quite retarded and lacking in common sense and the ability to think freely, but its also what youre actually doing but for obvious reasons dont have the common sense to realise it lol

Its a bit comical to criticise people for doing the exact same thing youre doing but to also think when you do it its somehow “different” lol :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Rather than just whinging repeatedly about how theyre innocent how about stating one, JUST ONE actual reason other than social brainwashing for stating that? Because there have been many reasons stated for why people think they MIGHT have done it and yet you, the only person, or one of the very few who seems to think theyre right is stating that delusion of “rightness” with absolutely no basis for the assumption at all

Pavlov would have been EVER SO proud if he was reading your posts lol

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@rubyred wrote:

lynching by hysteria…a true Daily mail nation….

Which even if an acurate assessment is surely better than a closed minded braindead one that thinks what its told to think and would in this instance be totally lacking in the mental acumen to think for themselves and question the validity of the Mcanns claims IF it turns out they did it

So a non daily mail nation WOULD using your “logic” totally be incapable of bringing any parent who killed their child into suspicion, let alone actually be charged with doing it

If those are the two options I much prefer the daily mail nation personally rather than what? A guardian nation that only thinks when told to think and even then only thinks what social doctrines dictate that they think and nothing else? Bit of a distopia that really

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@forumhostpb wrote:

@Bad Manners wrote:

@PB wrote:

…..the sainted and holy Mother McCann has such a hard expressionless look on her face all the time. She contrives to show no emotion at all whatever the situation.

Could it be that she is cold and heartless inside as well?????[/b][/color]

Got me started now, but hey…

What gives you the right to arrogantly wade into someone, and declare them cold and heartless. Ya dont know these people do you? A lot of people I’ve seen on have said they are caring loving parents who just made a mistake. Bloo.dy arrogance I’d say.

I’m not comfortable about the ”arrogantly wade into someone” bit, but what I am doing is expressing my opinion based on my own observation. Your right, of course, is to disagree with me.

I’ve watched her over and over again as she attained her world fame status in the Media as the ”people’s mother” and every time I see her she appears to be totally expressionless – no reaction facially at all, just that same cold hard stare.

Of course we can’t know what she is REALLY feeling inside, but I have often found that people’s faces are a gateway to their inner emotions. Maybe I could empathise more with her if she smiled or even cried, or looked even slightly sad or maybe distraught, but this blank expressionless look of hers is frankly a bit disturbing.

As for the McCanns being ”caring loving parents who just made a mistake” – frankly words fail me.

Actually they left their three defenceless children alone and totally unprotected in a strange (to them) apartment in a foreign country with the door unlocked. They could have had a babysitter … they could have taken them to the bar with them and stayed together as a family, but no …. such was the depth of their caring and loving that they just went off out with their friends for a good time and abandoned their children to whatever fate had in store for them.

BTW – people who commit crimes don’t ”just make a mistake”, they make a deliberate choice to do the act and afterwards try to wriggle out of their culpability with this idiotic excuse. We all have the opportunity to make choices in our lives – if you make a wrong (or criminal) choice then the consequences fall on you for making it.

There is no evidence to suggest these people have commited a crime. You talk as if it’s all done and dusted, and they’re guilty. Clearly it’s not all done and dusted.

Sorry, but I have to say the arrogant part again. Calling another human being “cold and heartless” is not a nice thing to say. Judge not lest ye be judged.

Were always gonna come back to this part about leaving the children alone. Yes they made a mistake. They’ll pay for it for the rest of the lives. You and the others on this board have gleefully mocked and belittled these people since day one though.

They have committed a crime, a jailable one infact in portugal, the crime of leaving minors unnattended, as for any other crimes they might have committed NOBODY, not you nor I knows that with the exception of the Mcanns and yet you STILL post as you youre somehow “in the know” and anyone with a differing opinion is “speculating” lol

Do you actually have any “facts” to support your stance? NO

So youre JUST expressing an opinion like everyone else based on nothing at all of substance, and to be honest on far less substance than many of the views that think they are hiding something

Whether acurate or not there IS nothing wrong with someone saying that another person “seems” cold and heartless, its an opinion, and one based on how that person “seems” based on how they look and act, as there are majorative norms with each and every form of behaviour in each and every situation

There are however exceptions, but the most reliable starting place IS with the majorative norm, thats why its CALLED the majorative norm in the first place and not the minor actuality, or the absolute behaviour, because MOST of the time its the norm, but sometimes its not

But I think the biggest sign even tho to most it seems to be the least noticed that they are perhaps sociopathic is the way they talk about leaving their kids, even people who do this will be aware that the social norm would be that its negligent and frowned upon behaviour and would therefore at least try and fake some sign of guilt or conscience in public even if they didnt actually feel any of those things

But the Mcanns at every stage have dismissed this as tho what they actually did was look away for a mere second and then she was gone, no sign of guilt, no hint of responsibility, no statement of negligence, wrong doing or remorse

Just the passing comments that “we were naive” with the conviction of someone who thinks they didnt REALLY do anything wrong despite the obvious consequences of that “booboo”

Most of the other “signs”people claim to see can be explained away possibly by numbness, but that absence of any significant realisation of their MASSIVE mistake is a different kettle of fish entirely and is a far more prevalent hint that they are emotionally detached from more normal socially brainwashed ways of thinking in my opinion and based on many years of having to look for similar “significant” signs in peoples behaviour when they are actively and constantly trying to hide any such signs with all their conscious actions and statements because in those instances you can pretty much ignore the bulk of what is said or claimed and the real indications tend to show up in associative “foibles” that people arent even aware will seem odd to other people in the first place so they see no reason to dress them up

I will stress however that someone being sociopathic doesnt mean they will or could have killed their daughter, millions of people are to varying degrees leaning towards a sociopathic disposition, most without even realising it and live perfectly normal albeit slightly detached troubled lives as a result

Its just a different way of someone seeing the world, signified by their inability to “feel” to the same degree as the majority so they make up for it with logic and mimicry of how “others” would act in a given situation to compensate and fit in, but the signs of that facade are pretty easy to spot it you know what youre looking for

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@Bad Manners wrote:

@forumhostpb wrote:

@sharongooner wrote:

So this effectively “stops” the search campaign for maddie, doesnt it. :?

I suspect that very very sadly the only answer is “Yes”. I think that most people believe that poor little Maddie (who is the REAL victim in all this) is actually dead.

The current suggestion is that the holy & self-righteous McCanns have some form of direct knowledge of this and their constant exhortations to keep on searching for Maddie (alive) is nothing more than a grossly cynical attempt to manipulate the Media and turn the spotlight away from their own alleged involvement.

To pick up on your other point Sharon (“Why did they [the Police] announce a month ago they had made “significant findings”) ….. as I understand it they discovered the blood and ”other ” stuff in the McCann’s hire car as well as forensic traces of a dead body having been in their apartment. However, the DNA results at that stage had not been received from the British labs.

It was only when the preliminary DNA evidence was made available and was presumably considered in the light of all the other evidence collected to date, that the police made their move.

That said … I haven’t read anywhere that the blood in the McCann’s hire car was ACTUALLY that of Maddie (i.e. proved by DNA profiling). It has been really strongly hinted at but the police haven’t made that specific statement.

However, it is reasonable to assume under the circumstances that they do have strong forensic (and other) evidence such that they are prepared to question BOTH McCanns for many many hours, in the full Media spotlight, and to formally announce to the world that they BOTH are now officially suspects.

I fully accept that there is a long way to go and that there are numerous facts of which we are totally unaware ….. but …. it also seems to me that the theory of a mystery and wholly unseen kidnapper is beginning to look less and less likely.

Ah right. If this Forensic Evidence was so strong and watertight then why havent they been charged yet? Tabloid talk, and gossip.

Firstly EVEN the people claiming (with FAR more vehemence) that they DIDNT do it are ALSO “wildly speculating” but are too close minded or simple to see that glaringly obvious FACT

As for why they havent charged them, well DUH, thats a bit of a no brainer really isnt it?

There IS still the possibility that the rental car was rented by someone else, or lent to someone else who then transported the body meaning the DNA wasnt there by virtue of the virtuous sociopathic Mcanns

Also theres the quite possible chance that only one of them had anything to do with her death and/or any knowledge of it. And if both protest their innocence and each says it must therefore be the other if the evidence is totally damning niether of them can be charged

So the police at the moment will be applying pressure to both, offering deals for one to indisputeably incriminate the other either to prove their own innocence or to be given a lesser sentence for co-operating or by creating the impression that one is trying to implicate the other in the hopes that will cause the other one to blurt out a confession

Because even if just one is involved or if both were it HAS to be actually known and proven otherwise niether can be charged for fear of one who is innocent being charged so both would have to be released even if it was known beyond a shadow of a doubt that at least one of them killed her and disposed of the body

But I am sure that “wildly speculating” that the delay therefore proves innocence is far easier than actually looking at the significance in a logical impartial manner

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@emmalush wrote:

Some media presenters keep saying “you cant believe how badly the macanns are being treated, first their daughter goes missing, and now there being questioned in relation of her death, what a terrible way the portugesse police are behaving in”, words to that effect.

Why havn’t the media any backbone in being nuetral?

Do you think the media is for some reason manned by androids Emma? Its manned with people, and people are majoratively trained to give knee jerk pavlovian responses to certain stimuli and scenarios, one very common brainwashed reactions is the outpouring of unquestionaing sympathy/empathy in situations like this meaning that for some people on topics like this objectivity, open mindedness and neutrality are impossibilities and they would probably try to cling to the belief it was done under duress even if the Mcanns made public confessions because they are brainwashed into being practically unable to absorb the reality that parents could ever do their own child harm no matter how often they see that it does happen as such acceptances of reality shake the very foundations of their being and are met with the same vehemence a devout believer would exhibit when faced with facts that question the basis of their religion as have been seen by some of the Mcanns defenders in the media and on here

People get far too caught up with professions and what the professions are proported to stand for and completely miss the fact that all professions are staffed by “people” with all the inherent flaws, indoctrinated belief systems and social conditioning that has been dripfed into their psychometry every second of every day from everything they have seen, learnt and heard since birth

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Maybe they will just move to another hot holiday location and wait there till the next kid they lose is found :lol: :lol: :lol:

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@fastcars wrote:

@forumhostpb wrote:

It’s the same old story isn’t it? Every time somebody is accused of committing a terrible crime … their family and friends all queue up to tell the Media about how the accused person wouldn’t hurt a fly …. they didn’t have a nasty bone in their body ….. they were always kind and gentle and helped old ladies cross roads and so on and so forth.

During the subsequent trial and as the evidence of the horrible crime is presented to the Court ….. and thus to the Media …. amazingly all these people are nowhere to be seen.

Instead you get the second phase defenders issuing press releases ….. the limp wristed liberal apologists. The accused came from a broken home; they never had a chance; it is all society’s fault.

And then – by way of a finale – you have the last ditch defenders who claim that the accused was framed by the nasty horrid Police. They couldn’t possibly have done it and the ”real” offender is still out there somewhere if only the lazy Police would take the time and trouble to look.

Of course the reality is that nobody who is charged and found guilty of a crime actually did it. They are always totally innocent and were framed. It is all society’s fault anyway.

Yeah … right …. sure !!!!

And looking at things from a different perspective. Wont it be just great watching all the JC vigilantes slip back under the stones from where they crawled if the McCanns are found to be innocent.

I wont gloat.

Honest.

Cant see why you would even be able to gloat tho unless you were a complete retard tho really, seeing as nobody I have seen has categorically claimed they ARE guilty of murdering her, merely that it looks like it might be the case

Whereas the people on the other side of the fence HAVE been quite frequently talking as tho their innocence is “known” and is therefore irrefuteable and shouldnt be questioned

Add to that the fact that the main criticism is that of them abandoning their kids in the first place which if they arent involved still means they are inseparably to blame for the entire fiasco anyway through wanton selfish negligence anyway, something they ARE most definitely guilty of with no doubt whatsoever

So really the nay sayers are probably a bit panicky now, as theyre the only ones who have claimed to be unequivicably “right” and that complete lack of understanding of the real world combined with the arrogant closed minded perspective means theyre the only ones who have put themselves in a position to be gloated at

So I cant really see how you could gloat anyway, well, not in any valid way at least just out of a sense of utter relief at being lucky in your guess and needing to voice that releif

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Well it did happen to roger rabbit so anything is possible :lol:

If framing is the case tho, I’d be more inclined to think the two of them will each be trying to shift the total blame onto the other

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