[ubermik]

@forumhostpb wrote:

Well now that all bleating lefty tree-hugging liberal conciences have been aired …. what are we left with?

A couple of armed robbers got shot dead – big deal. They chose to go there and attempt to commit the crime but just had to go round blabbing to all their mates beforehand – and got grassed up to the Police as a result.

It was always open to them to surrender peacefully, be arrested, and then get a lawyer (paid for by us no doubt) to plead them Not Guilty and put society to the enormous expense of a trial – even though they were caught in the act.

We (society) would then be faced with the enormous costs of keeping them locked up for a number of years.

Set off against these costs, I reckon that the cost of a couple of bullets and a bit of para-medic’s time is a pretty good deal for society.

Police 2 …. Bad Guys 0. RESULT !!!

Nah I cant with agree with you on that, paramedics time is limited and valuable, I’m sure there would have been a vet, 1st year med student or tree surgeon available somewhere if someone had bothered to look

[ubermik]

@fastcars wrote:

@ubermik wrote:

Anyhoo, back on track heres my theory (Well one of em anyhoo)

It starts with a couple feeling the mundanity of married life with three kids of an age and age gap that are both tiring and stressful which commonly puts a huge strain on a relationship and sex life worsened by both people also having quite demanding stressful careers

Both people (IMO) seem quite likely borderline sociopaths, emotionly dissaffected to some degree and who live qute likely far more on logic than emotion

So they decide to have holiday to try and fix things between them and maybe introduce some romance

Whilst there they have a guide who shows them the sights, hes friendly, educated, amenable and pays Kate a lot of attention due to her being a bit of a hotty

Being in a near sexless marriage at current and not feeling overly appreciated it goos up her gusset big time and she starts having a holiday boinkfest with the guide

We fast forward to the night in question, the Mcanns arrange a meal with friends but without kids, Kate sees this as an ideal time for a quicky or two with the guide so arranges to meet him at the apartment to cut down on the time needed and therefore the suspicion

The kids will be drugged anyway so theres no need to worry about them so they meet and start the bumping of uglies, during which (and this isnt overly relevant either way) either its discovered maddy is dead from either the drugs or perhaps vomiting whilst drugged and not waking up or coughing it out thus asphixiating, or she wakes up and an accident happens whilst trying to hurriedly rush her back to bed before she realises what she is seeing

At which point Kate points out the situation, and that IF she were to claim that she came back and found the guide there alone he would have a VERY hard time proving his innocence, or even in the case of her accidentally being injured and killed claiming it was him that did it which people would more readily believe with him being not only not the mother, but also a man he is forced into helping her hide the body to protect both of them

So its decided the door is left open and he disposes of the body while she goes back to the party (none of which would be hard for a sociopath to see as the best damage limitation and formulate

The door being left open leaves the chance a burglar might happen along and steal from the unlocked apartment thus leaving some evidence of a third person and shifting any reasonable suspicion from the parents namely Kate, if one doesnt come along randomly searching for holiday makers who leftin a rush leaving the door open she is merely in the same situation anyway so its a win win chance

Later she comes back to make sure all traces are cleared up and the body is gone and then runs back to alert everyone that maddy is missing

Just highlighting a few dots here that niggle me about this

The guide cant account for his activities hence still being a suspect, so could possibly have been meeting Kate for a pre arranged holiday boinkfest as anything as kate also has times she wasnt accounted for either when checking on the kids

I think most people might have first thought Maddie had let herself out of the apartment and could just have wandered off looking for her mum and dad when she realised they werent there as kids would want them on awaking mostly anyway

So they seem to have jumped to the conclusion too quickly considering the door was open to begin with which they knew, so I would have expected more time spent searching the complex first to find her before notifying the police, but I dont recall a mention of any search, let alone a long one

IF on the other hand they could so easily jump to the conclusion she was abducted, I think that would suggest it was a prevalent thought of a possibility and in which case they never would have left the door unlocked as you usually have several keys, and even if there is only one anyone checking on maddy could have taken the key to get in and then brought it back with them rather than leaving the door unlocked

If it wasnt a prevalent thought, then I think as I said a long search would have ensued on the prevalent thought being she had simply wandered off and would be found shortly with some walking and shouting of her name

The addition of the guide would lend local knowledge making a fairly local but good hiding place for the body being known fairly straight forward, and if the DNA evidence has any validity whatsoever only kate would have needed to have had the car and could have moved the body with the help of the guide

1) Things that I think should also have been looked at but which I havent heard mentioned are whether they ALWAYS left the kids alone whilst on holiday and how frequent these meals were

2) if infrequent or if it was the first, whether one or both of the Mcanns suggested the kidless meal

3) whether they had used the childminding service previously whilst there

4) the history of the rented car, whos idea it was to get it, whether kate ever went out alone in it, and as it wasnt one linked to them when first rented who exactly collected it and was there any delay between collection and arriving back at the room as that would be the ideal time for it to have been used as an unrecognised body transporter to a better hiding place

So there ya go, thats my more preferred theory so far for what its worth

Is this a message board or a library… :?:

Literally its a library of messages, so both actually :lol:

And lets face it, the messages are “checked out” after all innit haha

[ubermik]

I think I used to be a “certain” indivudual but I cant be sure lol :lol:

On snickers…oops, topic I mean, them coming back to the UK

I think its a strategic move personally, I reckon initially when the bulk of media and public attention wasnt on them portugal was the comfier place as it meant they could avoid social services and the scorn of other UK parents who are friends or acquiantences, but when the spotlight of suspicion moved and the risk of being charged and jailed in portugal appeared the UK became the comfier place

I reckon if charges looked likely they would try to hide behind the human rights act to avoid deportation under the claim that in portugal, because of the media attention they wouldnt get a fair trial and their lives might be in danger if jailed in a portuguese prison due to the quite prominent swell of anti Mcann public opinion in the country prior to them going on the lam back to the UK

I think the whole fiasco so far has been a damage limitation exercise trying to cover all bases and limit the possible fall out from all possible negative outcomes

[ubermik]

Anyhoo, back on track heres my theory (Well one of em anyhoo)

It starts with a couple feeling the mundanity of married life with three kids of an age and age gap that are both tiring and stressful which commonly puts a huge strain on a relationship and sex life worsened by both people also having quite demanding stressful careers

Both people (IMO) seem quite likely borderline sociopaths, emotionly dissaffected to some degree and who live qute likely far more on logic than emotion

So they decide to have holiday to try and fix things between them and maybe introduce some romance

Whilst there they have a guide who shows them the sights, hes friendly, educated, amenable and pays Kate a lot of attention due to her being a bit of a hotty

Being in a near sexless marriage at current and not feeling overly appreciated it goos up her gusset big time and she starts having a holiday boinkfest with the guide

We fast forward to the night in question, the Mcanns arrange a meal with friends but without kids, Kate sees this as an ideal time for a quicky or two with the guide so arranges to meet him at the apartment to cut down on the time needed and therefore the suspicion

The kids will be drugged anyway so theres no need to worry about them so they meet and start the bumping of uglies, during which (and this isnt overly relevant either way) either its discovered maddy is dead from either the drugs or perhaps vomiting whilst drugged and not waking up or coughing it out thus asphixiating, or she wakes up and an accident happens whilst trying to hurriedly rush her back to bed before she realises what she is seeing

At which point Kate points out the situation, and that IF she were to claim that she came back and found the guide there alone he would have a VERY hard time proving his innocence, or even in the case of her accidentally being injured and killed claiming it was him that did it which people would more readily believe with him being not only not the mother, but also a man he is forced into helping her hide the body to protect both of them

So its decided the door is left open and he disposes of the body while she goes back to the party (none of which would be hard for a sociopath to see as the best damage limitation and formulate

The door being left open leaves the chance a burglar might happen along and steal from the unlocked apartment thus leaving some evidence of a third person and shifting any reasonable suspicion from the parents namely Kate, if one doesnt come along randomly searching for holiday makers who leftin a rush leaving the door open she is merely in the same situation anyway so its a win win chance

Later she comes back to make sure all traces are cleared up and the body is gone and then runs back to alert everyone that maddy is missing

Just highlighting a few dots here that niggle me about this

The guide cant account for his activities hence still being a suspect, so could possibly have been meeting Kate for a pre arranged holiday boinkfest as anything as kate also has times she wasnt accounted for either when checking on the kids

I think most people might have first thought Maddie had let herself out of the apartment and could just have wandered off looking for her mum and dad when she realised they werent there as kids would want them on awaking mostly anyway

So they seem to have jumped to the conclusion too quickly considering the door was open to begin with which they knew, so I would have expected more time spent searching the complex first to find her before notifying the police, but I dont recall a mention of any search, let alone a long one

IF on the other hand they could so easily jump to the conclusion she was abducted, I think that would suggest it was a prevalent thought of a possibility and in which case they never would have left the door unlocked as you usually have several keys, and even if there is only one anyone checking on maddy could have taken the key to get in and then brought it back with them rather than leaving the door unlocked

If it wasnt a prevalent thought, then I think as I said a long search would have ensued on the prevalent thought being she had simply wandered off and would be found shortly with some walking and shouting of her name

The addition of the guide would lend local knowledge making a fairly local but good hiding place for the body being known fairly straight forward, and if the DNA evidence has any validity whatsoever only kate would have needed to have had the car and could have moved the body with the help of the guide

1) Things that I think should also have been looked at but which I havent heard mentioned are whether they ALWAYS left the kids alone whilst on holiday and how frequent these meals were

2) if infrequent or if it was the first, whether one or both of the Mcanns suggested the kidless meal

3) whether they had used the childminding service previously whilst there

4) the history of the rented car, whos idea it was to get it, whether kate ever went out alone in it, and as it wasnt one linked to them when first rented who exactly collected it and was there any delay between collection and arriving back at the room as that would be the ideal time for it to have been used as an unrecognised body transporter to a better hiding place

So there ya go, thats my more preferred theory so far for what its worth

[ubermik]

@r.O.T.T wrote:

@ubermik wrote:

But as yet nobody has even been close to what the actual wording said you being one of them. infact you cant even tell the difference between a question and a statement to begin with so any other extrapolative speculations after that point are more worthless than your spoutings on the topic

it was a photo of madeline with ice cream on her lips and you suggested it could of being her fathers sperm
qualify that. what mindset could possibly associate such a lovely photo with such a twisted thought

PMSL

Oh no I didnt “suggest” anything of the sort lol :)

[ubermik]

@~Pebbles~ wrote:

@ubermik wrote:

@~Pebbles~ wrote:

QUOTE from Waspish “actually uber i agree with you n this one as you say the message board is here for people to give their opinion. wether anyone agrees or disagrees with that opinion is neither here nor there this is a particularly distasteful subject as it involve a small child, but the truth will out in the end. i have conjected on occasion that the parents may have drugged the children ensuring a quiet night. that doesnt mean i think they either killed her or not. we can chat all day and night about it but we ae free speaking people wether anyone agrees with us or not thats a democracy.”

Waspish, Im assuming you have no idea what he actually said that caused his comments to be removed?? In which case, you should be very careful about agreeing with him unless you too want to be perceived as a pervert.

However, If of course you are fully aware of his comments and still support him, and find him amusing, then youre as sick in the head as he is.

PMSL :lol: :lol: :lol:

Now that IS funny as you dont seem to know what it said either lol

I would normally feel sorry for someone with dementia, but in your case i feel nothing but disgust. It must be really hard for you not being able to remember what you said only a few days ago. Ah well, with any luck it will be a rapid decline and by this time next week you wont be able to remember how to switch your pc on

Oh but I know exactly what I said, infact it took quite a while to get the wording just right so it was still gramatically acurate but subtle enough to give people scope to interpret it in several ways depending on their personality type

But as yet nobody has even been close to what the actual wording said you being one of them. infact you cant even tell the difference between a question and a statement to begin with so any other extrapolative speculations after that point are more worthless than your spoutings on the topic

[ubermik]

Well you’d think so, but I am sure there will be some ardent left winger somewhere claiming that stopping someone from committing a crime is an infringement of their human rights :roll:

[ubermik]

@~Pebbles~ wrote:

QUOTE from Waspish “actually uber i agree with you n this one as you say the message board is here for people to give their opinion. wether anyone agrees or disagrees with that opinion is neither here nor there this is a particularly distasteful subject as it involve a small child, but the truth will out in the end. i have conjected on occasion that the parents may have drugged the children ensuring a quiet night. that doesnt mean i think they either killed her or not. we can chat all day and night about it but we ae free speaking people wether anyone agrees with us or not thats a democracy.”

Waspish, Im assuming you have no idea what he actually said that caused his comments to be removed?? In which case, you should be very careful about agreeing with him unless you too want to be perceived as a pervert.

However, If of course you are fully aware of his comments and still support him, and find him amusing, then youre as sick in the head as he is.

PMSL :lol: :lol: :lol:

Now that IS funny as you dont seem to know what it said either lol

[ubermik]

@johnboy25 wrote:

@ubermik wrote:

@fastcars wrote:

Wouldnt it just have been easier to lock the vault behind them and leave them to die of either lack of oxygen or hunger?

Wow!

I didnt know you could die of a lack of hunger :lol:

Lenny Henry, Bono & Bob Geldoff must be wondering why the hell they’ve been bothering all these years :lol:

Well seeing as counttless billions in aid seem to have accomplished practically nothing except reviving flailing has beens careers I would expect they probably been wondering that actually lol :lol: :lol: :lol:

[ubermik]

@fastcars wrote:

Wouldnt it just have been easier to lock the vault behind them and leave them to die of either lack of oxygen or hunger?

Wow!

I didnt know you could die of a lack of hunger :lol:

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