yer i saw that man on news , recognised him, that woman died in egremont where i live, i dunno i mite be wrong , but the whitehaven shooting early on ws full of witnesses in the centre of town , and i may be wrong again , but ive saw scenes of crime such as bricks hurled from cars through windows etc and they get cought within minutes, a fear of what they where dealing with is my theory and nowt but specials and community police available