Forum Replies Created
-
Posts
-
Far be it for me (!) to prove a point but now the massive media hype has died down and the media have stopped predicting everyone is going to die from the slightest sniffle, the incidents of reported “swine flu” have plummeted.
No sh*t, sherlock!!!!
Finally the latest info from within the NHS suggests on 17% of those who had “swine flu” and were placed on Tamiflu actually had the disease.
Hysterical media, public sheep like attittude and negligent government led awareness campaign leads to a deluded nation which can’t even care for it’s self with a cold ffs!!!
What would our grandparents think!
Kent f OBE- there is a photo of me somewhere on here though lord know where it is now :D
It is indeed :D
This thread demonstrates aptly the public hysteria to something whose symptoms are like a bad cold, something which will kill 90% LESS people than normal seasonal influenza (which we get every year without mass hysteria) and something which, if the government had said was “a nasty bug is doing the rounds” rather than give it a name, most people wouldnt be bothered with.
MORE people will die because the public are in meltdown and swamping the NHS (therefore those who genuinely need treatment for other much more serious complaints are having to wait…and die) than will actually die from swine flu
There is no such thing as a “confirmed” case anymore unless you are admitted to hospital. If you have a temperature and have one symptom (ie runny nose), you are considered to have swine flu- you are NOT confirmed. High temp and runny nose? Feck me, thats every time I get a cold. 75% of the current “confirmed” cases will NOT have swine flu BUT will not be allowed Tamiflu again should they suddenly have another bad cold, or even actually catch swine flu
Totally mismanaged by the government, total over reaction by the public and whipped up by the media who glorify in this type of worse case scenario story.
WHY do you think there is no where else in the WORLD, which has seen a spread on infection similar to ours? Why, because no country has a media and public which over react in the way the Brits do.
Get a grip people- it’s flu, you are more likely to die getting in your car tomorrow than die of swine flu.
Nuff said
From the Quantum Physics perspective, it is both!
@Sgt Pepper wrote:
@bassingbourne55 wrote:
British, always British. The island we live on is called Great Britain and it is one nation.
Great Britain should never be split up. The UK (which includes northern Ireland as well as Great Britain) is a different matter – N.Ireland should remain in the UK while the majority of its population wish to stay. If the majority wish to join with Eire, that wish should be granted.:-k
Sorry… seems I’m a tad confused here :roll:
Correct me if I’m wrong (and please note that I may well be), but is it your stance that any current or prospective devolved rights, or even Sovereign Independence issues regarding Scotland, England and Wales differ from Northern Ireland due to the first three being part of the Island of Great Britain?
If so, I find that most peculiar I must say :roll:Surely the crucial principle of consent applied to Northern Ireland must apply to the other three “parts” of the United Kingdom?
Or do you view Northern Ireland as a somewhat lesser component of the mix?
You state that it is the Island of Great Britain that implies Britishness.. and the UK “is a different matter”, which perhaps, is true from a certain geographical and semantic position – ie The Kingdom Of Great Britain and Northern Ireland gig..BUT.. in the context of what you (quite rightly) state regarding the consent issue of Northern Ireland, your “Great Britain should never be split up.” pronouncement troubles me. For it would seem you draw the line at consent regarding separation / Independence when it comes to Scotland, Wales or (the most unlikely event of) England?
Am I wrong to theorise such a thing, or was the suspected disallowance merely a silly omission on your part?
I would suggest the example of NI is somewhat different to the rest of the nations which make up the United Kingdom- NI is a contested piece of land between two nations (UK and Eire) as opposed to England,Wales and Scotland who have sections of their populace who seek indepence from the UK- NI does not, and never has, sought indepence from the UK (indeed it could be argued is majoratively the most loyal part of the UK).
The decision therefore for NI is vastly different from that of those sections of Scotland and Wales which seek complete devolution from the UK- it may be in part geographical in nature and that may be by design (albeit several hundred years ago) rather than default.
Hence the principle of consent is different- NI has two options- join Eire or remain part of the UK. To offer the same principle of consent Scotland would have either join Norway or remain part of the UK.
IMO
I think I understand but it sounds no different than firms which for years have worked in places like Saudi, Qatar etc and employed British workers and took them over.
I agree it must be very annoying for British firms to sub contract to european companies who then in turn bring over their own workers but isnt that what a free market economy is all about- competitiveness?
Tictax
You have me confused- in the first post you state
“oil refinerys and power stations across uk are refusing point blank to give jobs to british ppl , in fact they have said if ur british dont apply”
In the second post, you advise
“the new european laws say anyone can tender for the jobs”
Either British companies can tender or they can’t?
Foreign companies have been working in the UK as long as I can remember (Nissan, Honda, Toyota come to mind but there are thousands of companies) so the issue of foreign companies isnt the issue.
Foreign workers being used by foreign companies in the UK – is that by discriminating against British workers or because British workers arent avaiable/willing to work for peanuts?
I live in Lincolnshire- this summer we will have approx 25,000 foreign workers on the land and in the fields, working 12 hour days in the horticulural and agricultural sector? Why foreign workers? Because virtually no one else will take the jobs- Lincolnshire’s unemployment problem could be solved (at least each summer) if anyone without a job was told to work the land!
Is that what this is actually about then? Foreign workers working in the UK?
@lovely Lady wrote:
In the late 1980’s when football hollaganism was at its height, when a hooligan was sentenced in court the local news took the unprecented step of publishing their names and addresses together with their sentence on local news …… :shock: :shock: Although it didn’t give the number of the house it gave the name, road and town……now I have very mixed feelings about this…
The families of these hooligans ( that were safely locked in jail ) had to leave their families to cope with the fallout from this – I don’t agree with it and thank god it doesn’t happen today…… :? :?
Also in the late 80’s, actions like this (amongst others) ensured a dramatic and thankful reduction in hooliganism- why? Because ultimately thugs don’t like being locked up- not when they’re only out for a laugh!
Name and shame them
Its an interesting article and one which demonstrates how easy it is for an opinion to be formed within a mob which actually becomes the mob’s “raison d’etre”. However, any gathering of people with the intent to demonstrate has the potential to slide into an anarchistic, lawless rabble- the question is do we let that take precedent over the right to information which may protect the weak and vulnerable?
Some primeval part of me would be quite happy for the murderers of baby P to be released and their addresses listed on the front page of the Sun and whatever happens is natural selection but I am also intelligent enough to know that once the line is crossed……
However I am of the opinion that one mechanism to offset public anger, impotence and disgust is to ensure the sentences fit the crime. A life sentence should mean just that- if we cannot return the death penalty to our statute books, then at least ensure that murder is an automatic life until death punishment. One reason vigilantes exist is because of the feeling of impotence within a legal system which appears to protect the guilty more than the innocent and which penalises the victim at the expense of the accused (in most cases). Community sentences for paedophiles are one example of a public disgust at the justice system failing those it is in place to protect- we should have-
Life for murder
30 years for rape minimum
20 years for a 3rd violent offence (not the 93rd!) minimum
Publicise them, every week, in every magazine, newspaper, TV advert etc. I could guarrantee violent offences would reduce dramatically within 12 months. Unfortunately we have weak government which is influenced by a left wing liberal attitude which will never have the courage to ensure effective justice is seen to be done.
IMO!
@forumhostpb wrote:
Well we all know the reason why “…..those monsters will get new identities when they emerge from jail” don’t we?
The tabloids would take enormous pleasure in publishing their addresses and suchlike and as night follows day, “those monsters” will be killed by a baying mob whipped up into a frenzy of self justified rage. (A bit like all the “friends” of Sharon Matthews eh?).
Now you might want to argue that they were getting all they richly deserved. If so why bother imprisoning them at all, in fact why bother putting them on trial? All you need is a few inflammatory articles in the Sun or Mail etc and an accused could be simply dragged out of their homes into the street and summarily butchered by a mob.
Alternatively, you might want to take the view that a legal punishment is just that, and that once an offender has served their time, they should be allowed to return into society.
<span style="color: red]I am left to remember the paediatrician in Southampton who was hounded out of their home and nearly killed in the street, all because a bunch of Sun readers mistook “paediatrician” for “paedophile[/size%;”>“.[/color]
PB- this is as bad as tabloid journalism.
No paediatrician was “hounded out of their home and nearly killed in the street”- ONE paediatrician returned home from work one day to find someone had written “Paedo” on their wall- just once mind you.
Exageration of facts in this way is exactly what the tabloids do- perhaps we shouldnt be to critical of them then when we do it on here!
