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@(f)politics? wrote:
@pete wrote:
The one constant is their promises are empty but it’ll get one party at least 5 yrs in power
To be fair Pete for most of our lifetimes its only ever been Cons or Lab to have fed us empty promises ALL the other parties are yet to let us down so fingers crossed we” be sensible make a new choice and be able to spread the blame 3 ways next time round :)
Thing about Nick Clegg’s achievement last night was to sound clever, play the underdog outsider, and not fall over. On the basis of this amazing performance, his Prime Ministerial prospects shot up from 14% to 37%. But Nick Clegg is not going to be Prime Minister. He knows this, you know this, and I know this. He is going to have to do some sort of sleazy deal with the other two just to get a Cabinet seat: and as the Libdems have massively diluted their commitment to real proportional representation, the chances are (with help from Lord Adonis) he’s going to do that grubby backroom fix with a Labour Party he recently referred to as ‘a rotting carcass’.
As a fully paid up politics junkie, DIY SOS was a far better bet.
The whole farce was a snapshot of how the politicians and hacks treat us.
The Audience were compelled to sit there in stony silence listening to how these three idiots were going to spend their money, Dear God, they were also wired up to some machine to allow MORI to gauge their reaction.
I did not look at the ‘Leaders’ I looked at the faces of the audience, how many did you count chewing their lips in suppressed rage.
The questiontime format is far better, where if an ego driven politician is talking
bilge, the audience erupts into a cacophony of rage and groans.This was a beauty contest without the beauties, a complete and utter waste of time.
We the people should be partaking in our democracy, not sitting in a stony silence wired up to a machine. We get just one chance to vote in a rigged system and we are told to collectively told shut up and be quiet. No wit,No style,No flair – sanitised to death.
@panda12 wrote:
@quiet_man wrote:
Just seen our glorious leader posing outside 10 Downing Street with an unmatched collection of dullards, makeweights, knaves, thieves, varlets, lunatics, nonentities, tramps, vagabonds and assorted oxygen thieves and skin-wastes, a simpering buffoon today launched the most exciting exercise in direct democracy since the last instalment of “Britain’s got come on its X-factor”.
In a move that any sane person would describe as “electoral suicide”, our beloved Prime Minister today reminded the world that he bears ultimate responsibility for the fact that the goggle-eyed, blinking lunatic Ed Balls directly influences what your children are taught; that the head of Slytherin House is responsible for all business regulation; that a man who makes Geoff Hoon look like a model of competence is now in charge of the military; and that he actually has a Minister for Misandry.
Amongst many other awful things.
Meanwhile, the leader of the official opposition has been outlining this week’s election strategy with lots of well-rounded phrases to highlight that the primary differences between his party and that of the governing party is that he can speak with passion and authority. And by the way, does not have any of those awful cabinet ministers in his team. Fortunately for us, he has his own shining team of dullards, makeweights, knaves, thieves, varlets, lunatics, nonentities, tramps, vagabonds and assorted oxygen thieves and skin-wastes.
And apparently there’s another big party, although no-one knows anything about them.
It’s all so exciting, especially the prospect of sweeping reform and major changes to the way things are done in this country. As for me, I’m hoping that a sensible party is standing in my constituency – like the Monster Raving Loony Party.
Why not vote for UKIP then QM – they seem to be on your wavelength. :D http://www.richardcorbett.org.uk/assets/docs/briefing/theres-something-about-ukip.pdf
I probably will, they may be daft, but at least they’re better than the main 2 1/2 parties.
Best campaign poster of the election so far.
As for renewables, well they don’t really work, wind power is expensive and useless in high winds as well as no wind, also the windfarms built offshore are sinking into the sea amazingly enough.
So the choices are coal or nuclear, both aren’t renewable, but both at least are reliable.
Incidentally all 3 main parties want us to remain in the EU at a cost of £45 million a day, getting out could help start paying off the debt crisis we’re in. Just a thought.
@pete wrote:
And under the tories it’ll be the wealthy so were f*cked either way
Typical socialist bilge, ever given any thought to how the wealthy spend their money? They spend it getting the little guys like plumbers and electricians to do jobs for them. They set up businesses, employ people, invest in up and coming companies. Labour have wrecked all this with their high taxes, the wealthy are going abroad, no-one will invest in Britain anymore, Labour have wrecked our manufacturing base far more than the Tories ever did.
Also 4,300 offences created by the Labour government since 1997 — an avalanche of legislation. It equates to an average of 28 offences every month since Labour came to power and it is getting worse. Under Gordon Brown the creation of offences has risen to 33 a month.
For the period since the war to around the 1980s you saw one major criminal justice bill each decade, but since 1997 we’ve seen more than 50.This is the Britain your beloved Labour has created, this is why 3/4 of a million skilled workers and their families leave never to return only to be replaced by unskilled workers who work cheap and take away what few jobs are left. “British jobs for British workers” the slogan nabbed from the BNP by Gordon Brown, proven to be a lie. 81% of new jobs created are taken by foreign workers all thanks to Labour.
Record peacetime debt.
Record peacetime deficit.
The first fascist MEP elected to the European Parliament.
UK drops from 7th to 24th in international maths and literacy rankings.
100 new taxes on the middle class.
Council taxes double for the middle classes.
Council tax revaluation if Labour are voted back in.
4,300 petty new laws.
Authoritarian police state oppressing legitimate protest, photography and law abiding citizens.
Doubled the length of tax law and created a mass of new regulations.
Sold the UK’s gold reserves at the bottom of the market.
Ripped up a system of financial regulation proven over 300 years; 10 years later the UK has 5 Failed banks.
Destroyed the best private pension provision in europe, taking £100bn from prudent pensioners.
Destroyed more of the UK’s manufacturing sector than Thatcher.
Politicisation of the police, the civil service, education.Falling productivity in public sector despite 48% real-terms increase in spending.
Overseen the rise of the unaccountable, unsackable, feather-bedded bureaucrat, taking control over every aspect of people’s lives.
New GP contract increased average pay to £100,000.
Most GPs refuse to provide care during evenings and weekends.
Arrest of an opposition MP for doing his job.
House prices unaffordable for workers on average salaries.
Soaring knife and violent crime in our cities.
Debasement of politics, endless re-announcements of the same policy, cash for peerages, lies, spin and deceit.
200+ service personal killed.
First non-jury Crown court trials.
Abolished century old practises of Parliament; House of Lords, Life Peers, Lord Chancellor’s department, Lord Chancellor deminished3 million immigrants invited into the UK to take 81% of all new jobs created.
1 million young people unemployed.
Jacqui Smith.
Foot and mouth crisis (twice)
Farm payments
Tax credits
Afghanistan war
Iraq war
Under funded ill-equipped Forces
Privatised large parts of defence establishment for short term gain
PFI
Home Office failures
Uncontrolled immigration (am I a racist for mentioning immigration, dear me)
NHS in tatters
School standards at the lowest ever
Thousands of knee jerk badly written laws
Rampant EU fraud
EU ignoring its own people
EU referendum promise reneged
Treaty/Constitution
Northern Rock
RBS
HMRC
Lost data – child benefit and dvlc
Donorgate
Climategate
Cash for Honours
Single families
Economy in complete tatters
First time buyers taken out of market
Rich and poor divide becoming bigger
Plenty of tax rises – both direct and indirect
Uncontrolled private sector
Crime out of controlThis is your Labour.
@pete wrote:
You could always vote conservative.. of course you’ll end up having to have health insurance eventually and you’ll get the treatment you can afford
As opposed to Labour and watching them spend it all on diversity co-ordinators and climate change enhancement advisors?
Face it, the only people to live comfortably under the Labour regime are public servants, the rest of us are just cash cows for the quango’s.
@(f)politics? wrote:
That would be funny if it wasnt so god darn true
Hello btw QM ltns :) xxxxxxYou have seen me poli, you just haven’t recognised me :lol:
@jen_jen wrote:
@quiet_man wrote:
It’s a political crime, the state are asking him to enforce their laws, he’s not a policeman, nor a criminal. Nor is smoking a criminal offence, nor is it illegal.
So that makes him a political prisoner for not doing the diktats of the state.
Penalties and fines for breaking the smokefree law
Local councils are responsible for enforcing the new law in England. If you don’t comply with the smokefree law, you will be committing a criminal offence. The fixed penalty notices and maximum fine for each offence are:
Smoking in smokefree premises or work vehicles: a fixed penalty notice of £50 (reduced to £30 if paid in 15 days) imposed on the person smoking. Or a maximum fine of £200 if prosecuted and convicted by a court.Failure to display no-smoking signs: a fixed penalty notice of £200 (reduced to £150 if paid in 15 days) imposed on whoever manages or occupies the smokefree premises or vehicle. Or a maximum fine of £1000 if prosecuted and convicted by a court.
Failing to prevent smoking in a smokefree place: a maximum fine of £2500 imposed on whoever manages or controls the smokefree premises or vehicle if prosecuted and convicted by a court. There is no fixed penalty notice for this offence.
Smoking in public is illegal and a criminal offence.
Allowing your premises to be used for smoking is illegal and a criminal offence.
Why do you keep insisting that it isn’t?
And there are many laws that, if you turn a blind eye to someone committing an offence, you are then guilty of another offence. So by your reasoning there must be a lot of political prisoners…
No the laws are an infringement of your civil liberties, it isn’t illegal to smoke, nor should the onus be on the owner of a building to stop you smoking.
I also suggest you check the relevant paperwork too.
The Debtors Act 1869 abolished imprisonment for debt, although debtors who had the means to pay their debt, but did not do so, could still be incarcerated for up to six weeks.
In my research, I have noted the relevent paperwork which has thrown up a stunner. On page 23, the guidelines state:
In addition to the evidence of smoking taking place, the Courts have also indicated that they are taking into consideration the following matters:
• the number of occasions on which the council is able to demonstrate that information and advice on the smokefree requirements have been provided to the person in control;
• the failure by the person in control to take action after the receipt of such information and advice;
and
• public statements made by or on behalf of the person in control:
• that they do not agree with or support the smokefree legislation;
• that they are actively campaigning against it; or
• that they do not intend to do anything more than simply inform people that they should not smoke.Officers of LACORS and the CIEH are continuing to closely monitor prosecutions and may be able to provide information on trends, levels of fines and costs, etc but not of course advice to councils in preparing their own cases. Of particular interest are those cases brought against repeat offenders which test the ability of the council to secure penalties prescribed in the legislation which will act as a deterrent against further offending as this information may be used to inform responses to further consultations by the Government.
So you can be imprisoned by New Labour for not agreeing with or supporting smokefree legislation. Nice.
@pete wrote:
@quiet_man wrote:
@pete wrote:
Personal disagreements with a law dont make it ok to break it, and obviously being bankrupt doesn’t mean you dont have to pay a fine. I’m pretty sure some kind of means test would have been employed. He ignored the law probably even encouraged the breaking of it, thats just plain silly even if you disagree with the law (personally i think they should have left it to individual pubs/brewerys)
How could he encourage it when he wasn’t there when it happened?
Nick Hogan was convicted of a political crime and imprisoned for being unable to pay the fines, which were imposed by a court that was perfectly aware he would not be able to pay them. They knew, when they imposed the fines, that they were going to jail him for non-payment and that was always the intention. To make an example. He did not refuse to pay. He was unable to pay.
A political prisoner in a debtor’s prison. In the UK. The antismokers, made this happen. Their drooling spite has made this country less free than Cuba. And you really believe this technique will only be used against smokers, don’t you?
That is what we must fight. Injustice. Soviet-style show trials based on oppressive and unfair laws. It must stop now because it is already an offence to ‘not agree with the law’ on smoking, and it is a trivial matter to extend that to ‘not agreeing with the government’ on anything.
Nick Hogan, 43, was sentenced to six months in prison for refusing to pay a fine imposed for flouting the legislation.
Two years ago Hogan, who ran two pubs in Bolton, became the first landlord convicted of breaking the law for allowing his customers to routinely light up in his bars.
At the hearing, in January 2008, magistrates were told Hogan held a ‘mass light-up’ in his two pubs, the Swan Hotel and Barristers’ Bar, in Bolton, on the day the smoking ban came into force in July 2007.
He was visited by inspectors from the local authority, who found letters taped to pub tables advising customers they had the ‘freedom to choose whether or not to smoke’.
They also saw regulars smoking on five separate occasions.
Hogan, who has since sold his lease for both the pubs, was cleared of one count of failing to prevent his customers from smoking and four further charges of obstructing council officers.Political prisoner my arse
It’s a political crime, the state are asking him to enforce their laws, he’s not a policeman, nor a criminal. Nor is smoking a criminal offence, nor is it illegal.
So that makes him a political prisoner for not doing the diktats of the state.
