Forum Replies Created
-
Posts
-
Well seeing as Hamas are an elected government I would think that this would give the USA more reason to talk to them than Sinn Fein.
Secondly you forget that Carter played the role of mediator in the negotations that brought about the Camp David Accords between Egypt and Israel. It was a great achievement. He was hoping to incorporate a deal that sorted out the Palestinian problem but the Israelis backtracked at the last minute.
I’m not saying a solution can be imposed militarily, but it can be imposed through political and diplomatic means. It’s possible to make a peace deal the only viable option for both sides and that will force both sides to do what’s necessary to implement it.
Ribery scored, Vieira scored, Zidane scored and Spain went home. I told you that you were writing off the French too soon.
If you try being serious for a second Tommy you’ll realize that there is a national security issue attached to this arab-israeli conflict. The clear injustice towards the palestinians is a source of resentment that is felt across the entire Islamic world and as a result it acts as a recruiting sergeant for extremists. They are able to convince people that the West is anti-muslim and anti-arab and obviously these type of extremists are a threat to our own nation’s security.
@dead_on_arrvial wrote:
personal responsibility ?
Are you people having a laught or wot?
Most of you could not feed and cloth yourselfs with out the states help.
You all moan on about being unhappy or poor, but the truth of the matter is you all have pi ss poor judgement.
Lets just face it, you do what your silly firends tell you to do, after all, no body likes to be seen has an “outsider”
My farther told me long ago, the biggest problem the working class had was: the fact that they “keep’t stabing each other in the back”
Its true, you do!
So would you realy like to take “personal responsibility “
Ok why not stop getting free health care from the govement, stop moaning on about your old age pension or the lack of it.
And just start paying your way.
Or I am asking for too much again?
Judging by your appalling standard of English, it looks like you turned down the opportunity to get a free education provided by the state. So social provisions provided by the state are a good thing.
The Russians and other countries have carried out talks with Hamas and anyway we all know that this rhetoric about not talking to terrorists is all bullsh1t because the British government talked to the IRA before they called a ceasefire. Plus we all remember the americans rolling the red carpet out for Gerry Adams year after year after year.
If you’re a mediator then you have to talk to both sides. If other countries don’t want to then fine, but you can’t be a mediator if you only want to talk to one side. Jimmy Carter believes that a solution has to be imposed on both sides and he’s absolutely right. The international community needs to formulate a solution based on international law and force both sides to implement it.
You could say that the attack on the israeli military outpost was bound to provoke a reaction but you could equally say that the constant attacks and persecution carried out by the Israelis was bound to provoke a reaction. It’s the never-ending cycle of violence that Secretary of State Marshall predicted way back in the 1940s and the only way to stop it is by 3rd party intervention. Unfortunately, the current 3rd party is the USA and so everyone’s screwed.
Well if you look carefully, you’ll see that it was bassingbourne who brought the topic of slavery up. I was just commenting on what he said.
Well as far as I’m aware, the internal slave trade was not as brutal as the transatlantic system. In some instances temporary periods of slavery were used in place of prisons (which didn’t always exist). After the guilty party had served his punishment he would return home. Of course there were more sinister forms of slavery but when you think of the treatment of slaves in the transatlantic system it was far worse. You only have to look at the transportation of slaves across the Atlantic. Nothing in any internal slavery system compared to the barbarity and inhumanity of that. You also have to look at the number of people killed, around 20 million. I’m not aware of that number being killed by the internal system.
If you’re saying Britain shouldn’t be blamed for the slave trade that’s crazy considering Britain was a major player in the slave trade. It wasn’t the Africans who went to Europe and America offering slaves it was Europeans and Americans who went to Africa to look for slaves. The fact that centuries later some people developed a conscience doesn’t absolve Europe or America of responsibility. I’m also sure the slaves themselves were seeking abolition long before Abraham Lincoln or William Wilberforce appeared on the scene. Likewise Germany is responsible for what the nazis did and Russia is responsible for what happened in Poland and Czechoslovakia and Hungary etc. I’m not saying that the modern generations of those countries are responsible but their countries are.
The military wing of Hamas claimed involvement in the raid but the political wing says that it doesn’t know the whereabouts of the prisoner. The people holding the prisoner now say that they want to exchange him for women and children held in Israeli jails. Whether you think the raid was the right thing to do in the big scheme of things, the fact remains that the raid was a legitimate act of war and not an act of terrorism.
I agree with Tiler though that you can expect the Israeli response to be wholly disproportionate as usual. Nobody will be safe from the reprisals because the Israelis will want to teach the Palestinians a lesson and to do that they will carry out random and punitive acts in addition to fighting palestinians police and militants. So once again innocent civilians will be caught in the middle of this conflict.
The political stalemate doesn’t benefit the ordinary Israeli nor the ordinary palestinian because they are the ones who pay the biggest price during the fighting. The USA put itself in the position of mediator yet refuses to talk to Hamas. The Americans could take a back seat and let a less biased party take over the mediation but it opposes that idea because of domestic american political considerations. So you can rely on the americans to obstruct any measure to put pressure on Israel to make concessions or even to negotiate. The inevitable result as we have seen since the start of the occupation almost 40 years ago is a never-ending cycle of violence. The only way this conflict will ever end is through dialogue and negotiation, so it’s up to US politicians to show some balls and move the peace process forward.
France have extremely good players in their side so I’m predicting a French victory against Spain. You people are dismissing the French too quickly. Any team with Henry, Trezeguet, Zidane, Ribery and Vieira in it is capable of beating any team in the world.
Trust me, no Black American will say that they are glad the slave trade happened. Also whatever internal forms of slavery that existed within Africa they were not as bad as the transatlantic trade that killed around 20 million people.
When you consider that the USA holds the global purse strings, it imposes policies on poor countries and gets involved in the political affairs of those countries then yes the USA does have a lot to answer for. It’s not the only country but is the most significant of those countries.
We saw all that fancy talk last year about making poverty history but, as many expected, the politicians didn’t honour their pledges. People should keep giving money to charity because money given to NGOs will definitely go where it’s supposed to go and every little helps.
