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A picture showing wreckage from the plane.
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/AA77.victims.html
A link to the passenger list of AA flight 77
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/F77penta03.html#p3
87 eye-witness testimonies talking about a plane hitting the pentagon
“Radar shows Flight 77 did a downward spiral, turning almost a complete circle and dropping the last 7,000 feet in two-and-a-half minutes.
The steep turn was so smooth, the sources say, it’s clear there was no fight for control going on. And the complex maneuver suggests the hijackers had better flying skills than many investigators first believed.
The jetliner disappeared from radar at 9:37 and less than a minute later it clipped the tops of street lights and plowed into the Pentagon at 460 mph.”Source CBS news
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=6&c=y
Comprehensive analysis of 9/11 attacks by Popular Mechanics that debunk all the scientific myths.
So I’ve provided a photo of the wreckage, 87 eye-witness testimonies (including ones that saw charred body remains) that all say a plane hit the pentagon, an excerpt from an article which says the plane was tracked on radar hitting the pentagon, a scientific analysis that explains the science of the attacks and a list of passengers from the flight that hit the pentagon. Overwhelming evidence that a plane hit the pentagon. I rest my case.
You said it was a good examination of the situation lebanon finds itself in, but it only gives one side of the story, so it would not be a piece capable of fully informing anyone about the complex political situation in lebanon. It proves my point that Americans only get 1 side of the story.
My point is that rather than being an objective piece of journalism aimed at informing readers, it is an article aimed purely at expressing the opinion of the journalist. There’s nothing wrong with that in itself but you can’t use that article to explain all that’s going on in lebanon because it doesn’t give the full story.
I’m supposed to believe that a plane didn’t hit the pentagon despite knowing that a plane was hijacked and hit the penatagon, and despite knowing that reporters and investigators on the scene witnessed wreckage from the plane.
Where is the evidence that a plane didn’t hit the pentagon? All the evidence clearly shows that it was American Airlines flight 77 that hit the pentagon. What evidence is there that it wasn’t? Any nutcase can expound pseudo-scientific theories. You can baffle the ordinary man on the street with technical jargon but when scrutinized by experts they invariably expose the theories to be nothing more than half-baked nonsense. I mean some people tried to put forward scientific theories as to how 2 jumbo jets hitting the WTC wouldn’t cause it to collapse. Now anybody with any common sense can guess that having 2 jets hit a building might cause some structural damage and architects looking at the evidence explained thoroughly and scientifically what caused the wtc to collapse.
If people want to continue to claim that planes didn’t hit the wtc or pentagon then give me a checklist of points to back up your claims. It will be my pleasure to shatter your illusions. e.g. it was claimed that there was no passenger list for flight 77 when actually it was freely available to all. I will make light work of all this conspiracy nonsense, so put forward your case in checklist fashion and i will destroy it within a matter of minutes.
Yes let’s place our faith in president bush he clearly knows what he’s doing. He said that invading iraq would create an oasis of freedom and democracy in the middle-east and that all other regimes in the region would fall the same way in domino fashion. That Bush really is a genius. Let’s not bother listening to the arabs or muslims. What do those heathens know? Babbling away in their foreign tongues, probably planning to slit our throats in our sleep I shouldn’t wonder. Obviously a failed businessman from Texas understands the middle-east better than those strange arab people.
Since Bush started bringing freedom and democracy to the middle-east it’s all become so pleasant and tranquil there. The west bank, gaza, lebanon, israel, iran, iraq, everything’s just so peaceful. Nobody’s working on nuclear weapons, nobody’s killing anybody. Yes, since bush came to power the world has become so much quieter. So many beacons of freedom in a world of darkness. People couldn’t vote in Iraq before bush came on the scene but now they can (if they or the polling office don’t get blown up before they can cast their ballot). Mission accomplished! Thank you president Bush, thank you deputy vice-president blair.
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@Mr Bigstuff wrote:
Well yes people who believe that september 11 wasn’t carried out by al qaeda do deserve to be put in the loony bin. Al Qaeda claimed responsibility for the attack, the hijackers were members of al qaeda, there were telephone calls from people onboard the flights to their loved ones telling them about the hijack, there are passenger lists for the flights. We have footage of the planes hitting the WTC and Pentagon. What more proof do you want?
All these half-baked theories by self-proclaimed experts about a conspiracy are about as credible as the Loch Ness monster story.
I never at any time Mr B, said that aircraft didn’t!! hit the WTC’s, they did, millions of people saw that on the hundreds of news bulletins throughout the day. People also saw, or at least think they did, an aircraft hitting the pentagon………don’t take my word for it Mr B, go look on the site, watch it and listen, there is crystal clear evidence, that whatever hit the pentagon, it wasn’t a plane. Open your mind as Geoff said, what do you have to lose.
I’m no self proclaimed expert Mr B, i’m just someone who doesn’t always take what’s said to me without sometimes questioning it………..nothings ever just black and white.[/color]
Of course it was a plane! There were hijackers on the plane that crashed into the pentagon, we know this because of the telephone calls from the plane to loved ones. Are you saying the US government ordered the plane to be shot down and then fired a missile at the Pentagon too? Firstly, what would be the point if the hijackers wanted to hit the Pentagon? Secondly a conspiracy like that would need the cooperation of air traffic control, and the US armed forces (whose headquarters are the Pentagon).
Do you honestly think the US military top-brass and administrators would be involved in bombing their own offices? Do you not think anybody would say “Hang on the government is asking us to blow up our own offices”. So many people would need to be involved in such a conspiracy that it would inevitably leak out. Also where would a missile large enough to cause so much damage to the pentagon come from? Do you not think that whoever it was that launched the missile would know that they were attacking a target within the usa? It’s all so idiotic that I can’t believe anybody takes this conspiracy theory seriously.
How do you know tommy doesn’t go around wearing skirts with the star of david on them?
Tommy’s a menace to society going around disrupting marathons and grand prix races. Why do you do it Tommy? Why? You skirt-wearing, jig-dancing nutter.I wonder how many pro-hizbollah opinions the wall street journal publishes? It sort of proves that the american media is heavily biased. If you watch the american reports about this conflict on ABC, CBS, C-Span, CNN you’ll notice that they are all pro-israel and anti-hizbollah, anti-palestinian, anti-arab etc. There’s no balance and so people can’t see both sides of the argument and form their own conclusions.
Looking at some of the other articles on the WSJ it’s clear that they are pro-israel in a big way too. They even have an article by benyamin netanyahu who is as hardline, right-wing, israeli as they come. The american public is being subjected to propaganda instead of news.
It’s not in a dog’s instinct to hunt foxes. Dogs are territorial and the only time they would attack another canine would be down to one dog going into another dog’s territory. If it wasn’t for the hunt, they wouldn’t go chasing all over the countryside looking for a fox and if a fox disappeared down a hole they would leave it there and go away after a while. So the fox hunt is not a natural phenomenon as drivel suggests.
As people have already stated, Iraq had a secular government that had no ties to al qaeda. There was no real problem with islamic extremism there until Bush, in his infinite stupidity, decided to start a war there. Pam needs to look at where all the muslim anger towards the usa comes from. Rather than it being down to muslims being jealous of america’s freedom (yes people actually believe that crap), it’s down to US foreign policy.
Pam displays a common (but not universal) american view that everyone should care what happens to americans but americans don’t need to give a damn about anybody else’s suffering. It’s ignorance but understandable when you look at the people running america.
As for the idea that the iraq war doesn’t fuel islamic extremism, all you need to do is ask a muslim if it does.
I’ve tracked down a photo of Tommy dancing a jig.
