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@tommy ToXen wrote:
No, you’re the blind sicko’s who aren’t reading.
Breast feeding is fine. It’s natural, should be encouraged.
But it shouldn’t be treat as some sort of ponrographic fetish plastered on front pages of magazines.
It was on a parenting magazine not a porno.
@tommy ToXen wrote:
You sick ba stards.
Can’t really say anything else other than that, can I?
The sorts of relationships that you reffered to earlier were relationships with minors ie 15 yr olds and you reffered to them being with somone older as sick, at 15 you are underage and even if you have a sexual relationship with someone the same age its still a crime. at 18 you are classed as a consenting adult, granted some people still wont be mature at that age, but if 2 adults that are drawn to one another in a relationship why do you think it sick?
@tommy ToXen wrote:
And all this is fact, or just the word of his girlfriend?
Were there live television cameras there where they could hear sound clearly to confirm he didn’t say anything to these youths, and on these tv cameras were the youths heard shouting racial abuse??
Murder is murder full stop. To say the murder of a black person is more important than the murder of a white person is quite racist I’d say.
Who said that a black persons murder is more important? What a ridiculous statement. I think this case is getting more press because of the disingenuous activities within the case, not because someone was black. And so what if he was ‘gobbing'(quote) off, is that a reason to be murdered?
The R.S.P.C.A promotted a line of food called freedom food, that was supposed to have animal welfare at the top of the list, some farms were discovered to be using really vile methods yet the rspca were still assesing them.
@tiggy wrote:
@holisticjo wrote:
@tiggy wrote:
@holisticjo wrote:
@tiggy wrote:
You come from a misplaced idea that Foxes need to be controlled. I don’t agree.
Killing foxes has no lasting results. Foxes are territorial animals – if one fox is killed another soon moves into its place from a surrounding area. Foxes also control their own population.
I do not think that Foxes need to be controlled, therefore I have no reason to put forward an alternative to Fox Hunting.
I agree why should we determine which animals should live or die, why should we think that we are the supperior being and need to control everything. Unfortunately we live in a so called civilised society whereby our food is mass produced and for that reason certain wildlife need to be culled, according to farmers. Badgers are a big issue lately as they allegedly carry TB and pass it to cattle. I disagree that foxes would be more tempted by rats or rabbits, foxes will take anything if its an easy meal, my chickens for one thing. I dont mind too much though, since its probably 10 a year and it could be worse I suppose, we choose not to cull foxes round us, the dogs tend to keep them at bay, the foxes just steer clear, unless we go out thats when they strike. We just live with them. My argument is that anti fox hunting people mostly dont have the foxes interests at heart they use them as an excuse for prejudice against so called ‘toffs’. Our food chain is a right mess and is more cruel than most could imagine, but thats ok because we dont see it we see what the government want us to see. If fox hunting went on behind closed doors nobody apart from genuine animal lovers would give a damn.
Glad you agree.
My interest is with the Fox however, which has a right to survive just as much as we do, I do not have the “Townie” ideology. While I have no problem with “toffs” as you call them, I abhor their excuses to hunt and kill.
As far as other livestock is concerned, Cows, Pigs, Sheep etc.. we kill them for food, that cannot be said about a Fox.
No I dont think everyone who is against hunting has the townie ideology, that I understand, but again as I stated before and something which everyone has bypassed is the animal welfare within our food chain is more babaric than hunting. Do the animals in question have as much right to survive as us? Or not because we have selectively bred them?
The question of barbarity regarding the keeping and slaughter of animals for our consumption wasn’t the question I addressed, rather do I agree with Fox Hunting or not.
I agree with keeping cattle etc for consumption as this meets a basic need, ie: Nutrition
We are hunters by nature, we dont need factory farming to survive, whats wrong with rabbits and game? Yet again my point is missed the methods and cruelty inflicted on our meat while it is still alive is awful, its not about meeting needs it a matter of welfare, if people look after there stock fair enough but most of it falls at the hand of an incompantent at some point. Not being stunned properly so it just bleeds to death, growth hormones so animals can barely carry their own body weight on their young limbs, carcuses hanging without skin while a pulse is still present. We eat this but it is behind closed doors, so we dont think about it. Yes I asked for opinions on fox hunting and Im giving mine, it is a needle in a hay stack in relation to animal cruelty in this country and the majority of cruelty goes on in our food chain but we are blind and deaf to that!!!!
Rabbits and other game, ie: Pheasants, are hunted, not by packs of dogs, closely followed by people on Horseback, but usually by single or sometimes small groups of hunters. The kill they make is taken back to be consumed by themselves, or sometimes, taken to butchers to be sold on.
Good. Thats how it should be hunted(for a valid reason), not farmed.
@tiggy wrote:
@holisticjo wrote:
@tiggy wrote:
You come from a misplaced idea that Foxes need to be controlled. I don’t agree.
Killing foxes has no lasting results. Foxes are territorial animals – if one fox is killed another soon moves into its place from a surrounding area. Foxes also control their own population.
I do not think that Foxes need to be controlled, therefore I have no reason to put forward an alternative to Fox Hunting.
I agree why should we determine which animals should live or die, why should we think that we are the supperior being and need to control everything. Unfortunately we live in a so called civilised society whereby our food is mass produced and for that reason certain wildlife need to be culled, according to farmers. Badgers are a big issue lately as they allegedly carry TB and pass it to cattle. I disagree that foxes would be more tempted by rats or rabbits, foxes will take anything if its an easy meal, my chickens for one thing. I dont mind too much though, since its probably 10 a year and it could be worse I suppose, we choose not to cull foxes round us, the dogs tend to keep them at bay, the foxes just steer clear, unless we go out thats when they strike. We just live with them. My argument is that anti fox hunting people mostly dont have the foxes interests at heart they use them as an excuse for prejudice against so called ‘toffs’. Our food chain is a right mess and is more cruel than most could imagine, but thats ok because we dont see it we see what the government want us to see. If fox hunting went on behind closed doors nobody apart from genuine animal lovers would give a damn.
Glad you agree.
My interest is with the Fox however, which has a right to survive just as much as we do, I do not have the “Townie” ideology. While I have no problem with “toffs” as you call them, I abhor their excuses to hunt and kill.
As far as other livestock is concerned, Cows, Pigs, Sheep etc.. we kill them for food, that cannot be said about a Fox.
No I dont think everyone who is against hunting has the townie ideology, that I understand, but again as I stated before and something which everyone has bypassed is the animal welfare within our food chain is more babaric than hunting. Do the animals in question have as much right to survive as us? Or not because we have selectively bred them?
The question of barbarity regarding the keeping and slaughter of animals for our consumption wasn’t the question I addressed, rather do I agree with Fox Hunting or not.
I agree with keeping cattle etc for consumption as this meets a basic need, ie: Nutrition
We are hunters by nature, we dont need factory farming to survive, whats wrong with rabbits and game? Yet again my point is missed the methods and cruelty inflicted on our meat while it is still alive is awful, its not about meeting needs it a matter of welfare, if people look after there stock fair enough but most of it falls at the hand of an incompantent at some point. Not being stunned properly so it just bleeds to death, growth hormones so animals can barely carry their own body weight on their young limbs, carcuses hanging without skin while a pulse is still present. We eat this but it is behind closed doors, so we dont think about it. Yes I asked for opinions on fox hunting and Im giving mine, it is a needle in a hay stack in relation to animal cruelty in this country and the majority of cruelty goes on in our food chain but we are blind and deaf to that!!!!
@sharongooner wrote:
slaughter for food is a completey different topic than do we agree/disagree with fox hunting…
there is and should not be any comparison between the two!! :x
The proceedure in our slaughter houses are cruel whether or not it meets our needs some of the things that go on within this sector are more babaric than hunting, the way in which animals are treated and the way in which they are slaughtered or not as the case may be when the job isnt done properly and something is skinned alive. My point was why we hate fox hunting but accept the cruelty within our own food chain.
@tiggy wrote:
You come from a misplaced idea that Foxes need to be controlled. I don’t agree.
Killing foxes has no lasting results. Foxes are territorial animals – if one fox is killed another soon moves into its place from a surrounding area. Foxes also control their own population.
I do not think that Foxes need to be controlled, therefore I have no reason to put forward an alternative to Fox Hunting.
I agree why should we determine which animals should live or die, why should we think that we are the supperior being and need to control everything. Unfortunately we live in a so called civilised society whereby our food is mass produced and for that reason certain wildlife need to be culled, according to farmers. Badgers are a big issue lately as they allegedly carry TB and pass it to cattle. I disagree that foxes would be more tempted by rats or rabbits, foxes will take anything if its an easy meal, my chickens for one thing. I dont mind too much though, since its probably 10 a year and it could be worse I suppose, we choose not to cull foxes round us, the dogs tend to keep them at bay, the foxes just steer clear, unless we go out thats when they strike. We just live with them. My argument is that anti fox hunting people mostly dont have the foxes interests at heart they use them as an excuse for prejudice against so called ‘toffs’. Our food chain is a right mess and is more cruel than most could imagine, but thats ok because we dont see it we see what the government want us to see. If fox hunting went on behind closed doors nobody apart from genuine animal lovers would give a damn.
Glad you agree.
My interest is with the Fox however, which has a right to survive just as much as we do, I do not have the “Townie” ideology. While I have no problem with “toffs” as you call them, I abhor their excuses to hunt and kill.
As far as other livestock is concerned, Cows, Pigs, Sheep etc.. we kill them for food, that cannot be said about a Fox.
No I dont think everyone who is against hunting has the townie ideology, that I understand, but again as I stated before and something which everyone has bypassed is the animal welfare within our food chain is more babaric than hunting. Do the animals in question have as much right to survive as us? Or not because we have selectively bred them?
@sweetasbaileez wrote:
@holisticjo wrote:
@sweetasbaileez wrote:
its nice to be concerned about animal welfare, but im a bit more worried about the peadophiles, rapists, muggers, and murderers meself :?
Well sorry this post is about animals so you’ll have to go elsewhere to discuss your worries.
lmao if i didn’t find it funny i’d be offended :wink:
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