[cooldandywarhol]

Hmmm….there’s food for thought. Your suggestion that people don’t know who or what they’re voting for is a rather sweeping generalism and I would have thought, a tad insulting to the person in the street. The closest to home examples I know of who proclaim themselves as Civic Nationalists are the SNP, Plaid Cymru and Mebyon Kernow ( good ol’ Cornwall!). Of course, they have to endure some sort of democratic process to elect their leaders to implement policy etc etc. I hope you find that a necessary evil unless you think that should happen through some sort of organic, thought sharing system that doesn’t involve leadership at all?

Nah…i put my hands up. You’re gonna have to help me out on that one?

 

And as to your trusted news and information sources? Would you like to take a punt at those please?

 

[cooldandywarhol]

linda, get some sleep. I’d like your considerations when you’re fresh and properly rested. I always get grumpy when i’m tired so don’t get emotional over your thoughts. If you’re working hard for your family then that’s more important than a lively debate with a Londoner.

Take care my sweet x

 

[cooldandywarhol]

Take your time linda, but please listen to Gabriel before your gird your loins. I’ve listened to enough of the giuliani/powell hearing ‘evidence’ over the last few weeks. I’m sure you can spare 20 minutes to balance the books, if you have the humanity to.

[cooldandywarhol]

 

Hey drac, well done girl. I haven’t got time to address all of your drivel so I’ll just destroy the first point about the incitement.

Mr. Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., warmed up the audience by warning of challenges to Republican members of Congress who did not back the pro-Trump efforts: “We’re coming for you,” he said. (Wow…we’re coming for you – language to trumpers carrying guns???)

Before the president took the stage, his personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani addressed the crowd and called for “trial by combat” against the Democrats to win the election. (trial by combat drac…hey girl..do you know the meaning of combat???)
<p class=”css-axufdj evys1bk0″>“We want to be so respectful of everybody,” Mr. Trump said, before describing his political opponents as bad people. “And we are going to have to fight much harder. And Mike Pence is going to have to come through for us, and if he doesn’t, that will be a sad day for our country. Because you’re sworn to uphold our Constitution.”</p>
<p class=”css-axufdj evys1bk0″>Calling the outcome of the election “this egregious assault on our democracy,” he said his supporters should “walk down to the Capitol.”</p>
<p class=”css-axufdj evys1bk0″>“We are going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women,” he continued, “and we are probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them — because you will never take back our country with weakness.”</p>
<p class=”css-axufdj evys1bk0″>Mr. Trump did not in fact accompany the supporters he pressed to fight for him; he returned to the White House and berated aides about how the scene had appeared, before attacking Mr. Pence on Twitter for his stand.</p>
 

I’m quoting the New York Times but his speech is on youtube et al.

You’ll notice drac that when Trump said “we” he of course didn’t mean that – he went to his bunker while his troops did the trashing.

Then after the Capitol was invaded – Biden appealed to him to get on TV and demand his cultists leave the building.

Trump then put out a video asking his followers to go home… with his love.

 

Those are the facts – a few of which you have conveniently left out. If you want to contribute properly to this debate – get your story straight.

And if you want me to trash your other 9 points, you only have to ask.

 

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[cooldandywarhol]

Hi Linda, thanks for taking the time to reply to my post. I knew you wouldn’t let me down.

I lived and worked in Seattle for Boeing for nearly 6 years. The salmon from Lake Washington was superb and I made many friends there but I also saw the worst of America even in the 80’s and in particular the hard political choices you had – either left or right with no meaningful presence of the independent or middle ground. The word ‘partisan’ seemed hard to accept coming from a more liberal (with a small l) society. We seem to be able to manage  our nearly 50 million general election votes here in the UK with not a lot of fuss and the new guy or lady is in Number 10 within 24 hours.

BTW I’ve been in and out of JC for over a decade. Generally when I’m bored. I do need to take my logo down though if guidey will allow me to.

Anyway…

I can see why many people might have been excited about trump’s achievements but I’m afraid it was always going to be rather short term. His individual and corporate tax cuts and the resultant economic and stock market growth were only going to go one way after reaching the heady highs that they did. You do have a quarter of a wall and I hear the Mexican’s are keen to finish it to keep the Americans out.(joke). However do I pity Biden having to deal with that fall-out leave alone having trump’s disasterous management of covid to deal with.Stay safe and wear a mask.

I’ve observed the common trait that trumpers have in deflecting the conversation and avoiding discussing the realities. What I am keen to know is if you do recognise trump’s darker side so I’ll make this easy for you. 10 easy questions for you to consider – if you wish.

1. Do you agree that he incited his followers to march to the Capitol and that he and his mates (boy trump and giuliani included) help to rile the crowd so much  that it was inevitable some of them would bash the doors down, wreck the building and kill policeman? Note that he’d built them up to do this over 4 and more years. I do pity the poor girl’s family who have to live with her pointless death.
2. Did I really hear on several channels some of them saying that they would bring guns next time or was I imagining that?
3. Do you believe the Qanon bullshit – sorry – theory that the violent rioters were leftists or antifa and everyone else was there to have tea and crumpets on the lawn?
4. Would you have gone into the Capitol building if you had been there Linda?
5. Were you there?
6. Being a retired nerd with a bit of spare time, I’ve studied almost everyone of the so called fraudulent voting issues. EVERYONE of them- including your graphs and other points- have been COMPELETLY debunked by the Republican officials who were in charge of the elections. Probably everyone of them wanted trump to win but NOT AT THE EXPENSE OF SCREWING THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS. I think you should be proud of those Americans who believe and en-act your Constitution to the letter.  I urged Cleared2Land (and Puds)  to listen to Gabriel Sterling’s speech where he goes over every contentious voting point regarding Georgia. I suggest you do the same. It’ll help short-cut your re-education process called “THE TRUTH” Can you do that Linda? Please? Googling ‘ youtube none of that is true sterling ‘ will get you to it. You’ve put your evidence. Now it’s time to hear the other side. Like in court. If you believe in justice.
7. Hey Linda, do you still believe  in democracy and the peaceful and presidential transition of power?
8. Are you going to listen to what your new President (That’s Joe Biden by the way) has to say about the future of your country and on a media channel that makes some attempt to toe the middle (pseudo truthful) ground? Linda, here’s a hint. Ozzie Rupert Murdoch really doesn’t have your personal interests in mind. He only wants your money. And as for newsmax, oann, rush limbaugh etc etc,,,,…… nahhh. They really do tell so many fibs to max their advertising revenues. Even though it has it’s faults, I still believe in the BBC, paid for by the people,accountable to the people, no adverts, fantastic dramas and reasonably fair news reporting. They reported trump as he was. In my humble opinion, America desperately needs a BBC.
9.  Do you think you might be taken in by the trump dynasty in the future? A lot of trumpers appear to have dedicated their votes for Eric, Don Jr, Ivanka and Baron already. I ask because if you were to have a clever trumpist in the Oval Office in the future…….o m g.
10. and the last. Do you know anyone who voted for trump in 2016 but regrets it now? They might be a good friend to have.

 

..and to the Proud American – God Bless America – just don’t send us your chlorinated chicken.

Love and Peace

 

 

[cooldandywarhol]

Seems like the guides are censoring chatters with a political point of view. I wonder if they’re watching the anarchy that’s going down in Washington at the moment.

 

[cooldandywarhol]

I’m sooo missing “debating” with the trumpers visiting the room. My heart goes out to you. It must be sad watching your cult leader fall on his sword in such excruciating slow motion. The compensation is that it’s gonna make a great film!

Stop the vote! Count the vote!

 

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