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How awful!

Despite your ‘if only’s’ tho Melody, as the judge said, god knows why but she loved him so you probably wouldn’t have been able to do anything to save her.

RIP Klara

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Picking up on your point about the fags n sweets kenty.

We used to have a woman come into our branch each week. She had 4 kids, ranging from pushchair to toddler. She was on benefits, she’d buy her vodka her cigs and like you said, god forbid one of the kids should ask for a bag of crisps. The language to those little ones was unreal. Where do you think I got the f’ing money to pay for crisps,yr just f’ing selfish you lot! be thankful for what you got! which of course was nothing. I ended up giving these lil uns a pack of sweets each time cos I couldn’t bear to see their faces.

I’m on a kind of benefit Will. I get a pension, i’m an oap, I still work too, albeit part time. 50p a month isn’t really going to make that much difference to me. I can’t really see 50p a month making that much difference to anyone to be honest

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@pete wrote:

Ive no doubt he is Cas, and i’m not remotely suggesting “older” mums should terminate, thats not right, but to actively seek to become pregnant at 66 smacks of more money than sense both on her part and that of the clinic.

Thing is tho Pete, whether we like it or not, it’s something thats available these days, and people are living longer too these days.

To be honest Pete, I have much more of an issue with people like Madonna and all these other celebrities adopting these kids from africa and god knows where else. Whats that all about, making some kind of a statement? Ok, these kids might well deserve a better life, is a better life tho, being left with a team of nannies while she tours the world with her shows? I do wonder

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@pete wrote:

If it’s natural then fine, and even some help with younger women who cant conceive, but at 66 it’s just laughing in natures face and it’s not right it’s not meant to be it’s pontentially lethal for the mother and her child could easily be an orphan at 4 yr old especially if the childbirth takes something out of a system thats already on the decline

I understand that the statistics are higher in older parents, but children can be left orphaned by younger parents too, tragic accidents happen.

I think, and my doc thought too at the time, that I fell pregnant with Mike at start of my menopause. I’d been married almost 18 years, wasn’t because we didn’t want kids, it just didn’t happen, then the year i turned 40 I found myself pregnant. He’s best thing ever happened to me.

[Cas]

I take all those points on board.

Personally though, and I can only speak for myself, I sailed through my pregnancy, was never healthier.

There is a natural cut off point for women called the menopause, after that theres intervention. Who’s to say who’s right and who’s wrong, but as the young man who wrote article implied, baby P would have had a much better chance in life with the 60+ mum than with the one he had.

I’m not saying a 60+ mum is wrong or right, sitting on the fence I spose, if you like. Only people who really know is themselves. There are some 60+ who are a lot fitter than some pple in their 20’s!!

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I agree Poli, good points made by the young man in question.

I was, well still am lol, an older mum. I was judged by the ‘younger’ mums at the school gates etc etc. My son nearly 21 now, he doesn’t seem to have suffered due to it. He is in fact an intelligent, articulate young man, who I happen to be very proud of :wink:

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Why isn’t there one for,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Wouldn’t get marriage,,,,,,(again),,,,,,,ever!!! :wink:

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@yoda wrote:

FFs are you all as thick as you look? Lilly Allen never said she was an outstanding singer… I myself am not fussed on Lilly Allens type of music. However she raised a valid point about Susan Boyle being overrated. I agree with her. I didn’t ask any of you to agree with me or bloody Lilly Allen. I expressed my view and asked for yours. It’s not about bloody Lilly Allen ffs.
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Geeeeez.. :roll:

For the record Yoda, I agree with ya :wink:

Lily Allen is’nt my cuppa tea. Lily Allen also, probably only got where she is cos of her famous dad, like Peaches Geldof :wink: In fact I think that it’d take a very good medium to find the talent in Peaches Geldof!!!

[Cas]

3. “She” is presumably the new wife – however, from the attitude shown by the daughter (as described above) it would appear that the daughter is more bothered by how much SHE will get than with her father’s happiness.

I was thinking that too PB. :roll:

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@forumhostpb wrote:

You’re right Cas …. and yet….

If the Judge had intervened and stopped the defence counsel from cross examining a witness, he might very well have given cause for the defence to either declare a mis-trial or given them grounds for appeal.

There is a very fine line to be drawn between allowing a witness to be cross examined as to the truth of their evidence and permitting a vulnerable and damaged child to be subjected to highly stressful and intimidating questioning.

I think that the defence counsel clearly overstepped the mark.

Yea I see what you mean and highly possible it was what he was aiming for.

He did overstep the mark, i’m surprised that the little girl was in court, theyve been known to use video links, that kind of thing. Must have been very frightening for that little girl.

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