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6 February, 2007 at 10:57 pm #258420
Tuesday, 28 November 2006 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6190080.stm
Ethnic and religious courts are gaining ground in the UK. Will this lead to different justice for different people?
Aydarus Yusuf has lived in the UK for the past 15 years, but he feels more bound by the traditional law of his country of birth – Somalia – than he does by the law of England and Wales.
“Us Somalis, wherever we are in the world, we have our own law. It’s not Islamic, it’s not religious – it’s just a cultural thing.”
The 29-year-old youth worker wants to ensure that other members of his community remain subject to the law of their ancestors too – he helps convene an unofficial Somali court, or “gar”, in south-east London.
Aydarus is not alone in this desire. A number of parallel legal universes have been quietly evolving among minority communities. As well as Somali customary law, Islamic and Jewish laws are being applied and enforced in parts of the UK.
Islamic and Jewish law remains confined to civil matters. But the BBC’s Law in Action programme has learned that the Somali court hears criminal cases too.
One of the most serious cases it has dealt with was the “trial” of a group of young men accused of stabbing a fellow Somali.
So how did this court come about? Some academic lawyers see these alternative legal systems as an inevitable – and welcome – consequence of multiculturalism.
Dr Prakash Shah, of London’s Queen Mary University, advocates this “legal pluralism”.
“Tribunals like the Somali court could be more effective than the formal legal system in maintaining social harmony.”
Mohammed Shahid Raza, a leading Islamic scholar, claims “When Britain was ruling India, there was a separate legal code for Muslims, organised and regulated by British experts of law.”
There is already a network of Sharia councils in the UK. They are not recognised as courts but are seen as essential by those Muslims seeking advice and religious sanction in matters such as divorce.
Cassandra Balchin, a convert to Islam and spokeswoman for the group Women Living Under Muslim Laws, is concerned about the growth of these minority legal systems.
Despite Ms Balchin’s fears, Sharia councils have already begun to follow the Jewish model of turning themselves into recognised courts of arbitration.
Who’s warming to the idea that multiculturalism is a nightmare?
6 February, 2007 at 11:39 pm #258421News article filed by BNP news team
Anyone considering taking the Royal riyal in the desert state of Saudi Arabia should at least learn the basic fact of life of “when in Rome….etc”.
The oil-rich kingdom is a fundamentalist Islamic state where the religious police, despised by many Saudis enjoy extensive and unchallenged powers and is temporary home to tens of thousands of westerners mostly working in the oil and construction sectors. No allowance is made for westerners who are expected to live under the strict shariah law which native Saudis adhere to.
Now 433 foreigners including more than 240 women have been arrested for attending a party where alcoholic drinks were served and men and women danced together, both activities forbidden under Islamic law.
A Saudi Arabian court has convicted and sentenced 20 of the arrested to receive lashes and spend several months in prison.
So far the names of the foreign workers nor their nationalities have been released.
Judge Saud al-Boushi sentenced the 20 to three to four months in prison and ordered them to receive an unspecified number of lashes.The prosecutor general charged the 20 with “drinking, arranging for impudent party, mixed dancing and shooting a video for the party.”
The rest of the detainees are awaiting trial.
Wouldn’t wana be in their shoes, would you? The term, ragged, bagged and shagged springs to mind.
7 February, 2007 at 3:16 am #258422An Islamic school is poisoning the minds of pupils with lessons in hate, a former teacher claims.
Colin Cook, 57, says textbooks used by children as young as five at the King Fahad Academy in Acton describe Jews as “repugnant” and “apes” and Christians as “pigs“.
Pupils have allegedly been heard saying they want to “kill Americans“, praising 9/11 and idolising Osama bin Laden as their “hero“.
There are fears that it could become a breeding ground for terrorists with Mr Cook warning: “The school could produce a dangerous harvest.”
Its sister school of the same name in Bonn has been singled out by the German intelligence services as a meeting place for activists linked to terrorism.
Mr Cook, a Muslim convert, taught English at the school for 19 years until he was sacked in December last year.
He claims he was fired after blowing the whistle on the school for covering up cheating by children in GCSE exams and is bringing a tribunal claim for unfair dismissal, race discrimination and victimisation.
He also alleges that when he complained to school management about the content of the curriculum and questioned whether it complied with British laws, he was told: “This is not England. It is Saudi Arabia“.
He said that the school was “very good” until the majority of British teachers left in 2005. He said: “Since then, there has been a move towards a pro-Saudi agenda.
“It is clearly racist and very divisive. I understand now why the pupils express anti-Western views at school. It is deeply immoral to put such ideas into the heads of young children.
Mr Cook’s solicitor Lawrence Davies said: “Faith schools are legitimate but they must not be used to propagate a racist agenda. Every faith school must be properly inspected. And those that promote the terrorist mindset must be called to account.”
The school denies all his allegations and claims he was rightly dismissed for misconduct. Opened in 1985 for the offspring of Saudi diplomats in London, it is named after the former Saudi king and funded by that country’s government.
But the overwhelming majority of its 750 pupils are now the children of British Muslims. The school – which teaches pupils up to the age of 18 – devotes around half of lessons to religious education and teaches almost all classes in Arabic, with boys and girls following different curriculums.
In the past, parents have claimed that the school is teaching British children fundamentalist Islam while giving girls an inferior education.
Ofsted, which inspected the school in March 2006, made a series of criticisms of its performance and refused to give it full registration as an independent school.
It warned that while the quality of teaching was good, there had been “major changes in staffing” which led to disruption, and told the school to improve the curriculum.
In papers submitted to Watford employment tribunal, Mr Cook says that most of the school’s teachers are Saudis who speak little or no English.
Mr Cook’s lessons formed part of a British curriculum while a second Saudi curriculum was taught in Arabic. Mr Cooks claims that textbooks used on the Saudi curriculum, which are published by the Saudi government’s ministry of education, prove that the academy “is institutionally racist“.
He said: “The textbooks apparently state that the Jews are cursed. Pupils are asked to ‘ mention some repugnant characteristics of Jews‘.”
Mr Cook said pupils are taught that religions including Christianity and Judaism are “worthless“. He said: “The teachers on the Saudi curriculum presumably either endorse this racist viewpoint or teach it without complaint.”
Mr Cook claims he was sacked after he reported pupils cheating to exams board Edexcel. He said that staff allowed pupils to refer to their own, heavily annotated course books during an English language GCSE exam.
He said: “The Academy knows that cheating occurred. The boys who did cheat and those who probably cheated were not investigated or sanctioned. Mr Cook was fired in December after being accused of gross misconduct.
He said: “It was unlawful to sack me for whistle-blowing in these circumstances. A Saudi national would not have been treated in this adverse manner.”
The school claims that Mr Cook was rightly dismissed for misconduct connected to the exams procedure. His tribunal is due to take place later this year.
All these stories are comming to light after years of investigations, how many are in the pipeline?
You can have multiculturalism, but you cant have peace.
You can have peace, with a firm belief system that the VAST majority adhere to.
7 February, 2007 at 5:50 pm #25842316 February, 2007 at 3:55 pm #258424The editor of a Cambridge University college newspaper was in hiding last night after his attempt at religious satire backfired.
The 19-year-old aspiring journalist, who has not been named, is under investigation by the authorities at Clare College who described the issue of the student newspaper Clarefication as “abhorrent”.
Most inflammatory was the infamous cartoon of the Prophet Mohamed, which was printed in the Danish newspaper Jyllands Posten in September 2005, triggering violent protests among some Muslims in which four people died.
For his own safety, the student has been taken out of his accommodation and put in a secure place. The newspaper had been renamed Crucification for the special edition on religious satire. The front page included the headline: “Ayatollah rethinks stance on misunderstood Rushdie”.
On page six, pictures were shown of Muslims holding placards reading: “Behead those who insult Islam” and “Freedom go to Hell“. Enraged students have bombarded the Union of Clare Students with complaints and the vice-president of the university’s Islamic society described it as “hugely offensive” and “crude unabashed prejudice”.
In a rare move, Clare College fellows have called a Court of Discipline, which will sit in judgment on the student. An insider at the college said: “It’s the first time in living memory a Court of Discipline has been set up.”
The college chaplain has also been involved in talks aimed at trying to ease racial tension and is known to have met members of the Islamic Society and a local imam to discuss how best to quell fears over potential racial clashes.
The senior tutor at Clare College, Patricia Fara, said: “The college finds the publication and the views expressed abhorrent. Reflecting the gravity of the situation, the college immediately began an investigation and disciplinary procedures are in train.”
The college has now cut the newspaper’s funding.
16 February, 2007 at 4:41 pm #258425I take it from your pasted mumbo jumbo, that you consider youself British and proud Emma, may I just put a tiny little possibility into your head…
In 711AD, the moors (a non-White Muslim army) invaded and for some time successfully controlled much of Europe including Spain, Italy and Sicily. Logic dictates that much frollicking and sexual activity occured.
In 43AD the Romans (of whose ancestors were around during the 711AD invasion by the moors) invade Britian, again, sexual activity occured and many children born, how do i know this, simple…we are here.
So by simply correlating these 2 invasions in history, it would not be illogical to assume that your great, great, great, great, great, great (etc etc etc) grandfather may have been a black muslim.
Sleep tight now, won’t you.
16 February, 2007 at 8:14 pm #258426And your point is…
I spose you think that im not allowed to feel proud of my nationality and skin colour?
In a recent programme on channel4, several everyday members of our white society took part in finding out their % DNA history.
NOT ONE had any african ancestry.
Since 1948, the multicultural experiment has set out to brainwash our society’s population into thinking we all eminate from Africa, meaning we are all “one”.
Occam’s razor, the simplest explanation tends to be the correct one.
In 2007, the facts are who and what i am, white and English.
A pro multiculturalist said recently, words to the effect of, ive been living here all my life, but my family roots all come from Hungary. If i went to Hungary, i would feel like a stranger.
16 February, 2007 at 8:40 pm #258427@genie_in_a_butthole wrote:
I take it from your pasted mumbo jumbo, that you consider youself British and proud Emma, may I just put a tiny little possibility into your head…
In 711AD, the moors (a non-White Muslim army) invaded and for some time successfully controlled much of Europe including Spain, Italy and Sicily. Logic dictates that much frollicking and sexual activity occured.
In 43AD the Romans (of whose ancestors were around during the 711AD invasion by the moors) invade Britian, again, sexual activity occured and many children born, how do i know this, simple…we are here.
So by simply correlating these 2 invasions in history, it would not be illogical to assume that your great, great, great, great, great, great (etc etc etc) grandfather may have been a black muslim.
Sleep tight now, won’t you.
excuse me mate do you mind if I shove your stool in a bit :lol:
17 February, 2007 at 4:35 pm #258428@emmalush wrote:
And your point is…
I spose you think that im not allowed to feel proud of my nationality and skin colour?
In a recent programme on channel4, several everyday members of our white society took part in finding out their % DNA history.
NOT ONE had any african ancestry.
Since 1948, the multicultural experiment has set out to brainwash our society’s population into thinking we all eminate from Africa, meaning we are all “one”.
Occam’s razor, the simplest explanation tends to be the correct one.
In 2007, the facts are who and what i am, white and English.
A pro multiculturalist said recently, words to the effect of, ive been living here all my life, but my family roots all come from Hungary. If i went to Hungary, i would feel like a stranger.
You can be proud of anything you like, i prefer to be proud of the content of my character rather than diminishing it to that of the colour of my skin or the country/empire i happened to have been born under.
Which programme was this? How many people took part? What were the exact findings of this exploration into DNA history?
You can’t just say something and thus make it fact.
I simply stated that by following history, the POSSIBILITY remains that ancestrally you could have Moorish dna flowing through your veins.“Since 1948, the multicultural experiment has set out to brainwash our society’s population into thinking we all eminate from Africa, meaning we are all “one”.
Elaborate on “multicultural experiment”, also by “our society’s” (excuse the pluralisation, i am aware it should be societies) are you referring to British Society, Society as a whole, English Society…What?
Its “emanate” by the way.
We are all individuals, now you seem to prefer to place yourself under the banner “White and English”, others prefer the banner “human beings”, others “Earthlings”. I prefer not to think of myself as “part of a group”, i am an individual and as such afford the right to unequivocal freedom of thought, unlike yourself evidently.Occam’s razor (also spelled Ockham’s razor) is a principle attributed to the 14th-century English logician and Franciscan friar William of Ockham. The principle states that the explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible, eliminating, or “shaving off”, those that make no difference in the observable predictions of the explanatory hypothesis or theory.
By quoting this theory, which is open to interpretation, the simplest explanation could be interpreted as being –
Oldest human remains found in Africa (to date) therefore we all emanate from Africa.
I don’t subscribe to that theory but seeing as you cited it.Your point in the last paragraph actually seems to be saying that irrelevent of ancestral history, a person is more accepted in the country they were born in and grew up in…thus actually betraying your entire belief system because by proxy a black man/woman born and raised on English soil should be accepted and feel more at home here rather than the country of his ancestors and as such is as English/British as you.
17 February, 2007 at 7:14 pm #258429@genie_in_a_butthole wrote:
i prefer to be proud of the content of my character rather than diminishing it to that of the colour of my skin or the country
My skin colour and nationality is part of my character.
/empire i happened to have been born under.
What empire?
Which programme was this? How many people took part? What were the exact findings of this exploration into DNA history?
I think it was called “so you think you’re 100% English”. Sun tv critic was on, him with the beard. Anyway, not one of them had african ancestry.
You can’t just say something and thus make it fact.
No, that would be silly of you…
I simply stated that by following history, the POSSIBILITY remains that ancestrally you could have Moorish dna flowing through your veins.
Very true, “possibility”, “could”. Also, possibly not, could not :wink:
Elaborate on “multicultural experiment”
Well the idea that mass cultures, races etc can live together, is a failed one. We were told that this was the way forward…
also by “our society’s” (excuse the pluralisation, i am aware it should be societies) are you referring to British Society, Society as a whole, English Society…What?
People in England.
We are all individuals
Then were not “one” race.
now you seem to prefer to place yourself under the banner “White and English”, others prefer the banner “human beings”, others “Earthlings”.
One of the problems with people like you, who argue with someone like me, is you assume too easily. I never said i wasn’t under the “human being” banner.
I prefer not to think of myself as “part of a group”, i am an individual and as such afford the right to unequivocal freedom of thought, unlike yourself evidently.
You dont belong to the human being group then?
Your point in the last paragraph actually seems to be saying that irrelevent of ancestral history, a person is more accepted in the country they were born in and grew up in…thus actually betraying your entire belief system because by proxy a black man/woman born and raised on English soil should be accepted and feel more at home here rather than the country of his ancestors and as such is as English/British as you.
No, you’ve took what i said and have tried the old twisted multiculturalised blag.
The Hungarian man explained that he felt a stranger in Hungary, even though both parentage are Hungarian. He and i didn’t say how English we thought he was.
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