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gerry is right about the decriminalisation of suicide in 1961 in England and Wales.
In the Isle of man it remained a criminal act for a lot longer, and I read of a 16 year old boy who tried to commit suicide and failed. He was publicly birched – humiliating, as it meant he was bottom naked to be whipped. A good treat for sadists, though. How he felt I can only imagine.
When suicide was criminal, people were punished if they botched it..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-14374296
Don’t know about the Church’s role in the original law, and can’t be bothered to google it, but the Churches wouldn’t bury a suicide in consecrated land because it was regarded as a mortal sin.
Mind you, the RC Church wouldn’t bury newly-died babies in consecrated land, much to the agony of parents who wanted the baby to be buried beside them.
God is Love.
It’s assisted suicide, er euthanasia, which is illegal, which is why Ms K is wise not to involve family. If you can’t do it yourself, mind you….
From what I gather, a number of doctors hurry the process along a bit in certain circumstances for humanitarian reasons…
I wouldn’t be surprised if that didn’t happen more in future, for shortage of beds reasons.
I gather we’re going to be paying a lot more council tax for this service.
Don’t know about the Church’s role in the original law, and can’t be bothered to google it, but the Churches wouldn’t bury a suicide in consecrated land because it was regarded as a mortal sin.
Quite interesting, found this on the BBC site.
” “Self-murder” became a crime under common law in England in the mid-13th Century, but long before that it was condemned as a mortal sin in the eyes of the Church.
For a death to be declared a “Felo de se”, Latin for “felon of himself”, an old legal term for suicide, it had to be proved the person was sane.
If proven, they were denied a Christian burial – and instead carried to a crossroads in the dead of night and dumped in a pit, a wooden stake hammered through the body pinning it in place. There were no clergy or mourners, and no prayers were offered.
But punishment did not end with death. The deceased’s family were stripped of their belongings and they were handed to the Crown. “The suicide of an adult male could reduce his survivors to pauperism,” Michael MacDonald and Terence Murphy wrote in Sleepless souls: Suicide in early modern England…
“From the middle of the 18th Century to the mid-20th Century there was growing tolerance and a softening of public attitudes towards suicide which was a reflection of, among other things, the secularisation of society and the emergence of the medical profession,” says Dr Wright, co-author of Histories of suicide: International perspectives on self-destruction in the modern world.”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-14374296
I have been watching this thread but am still a little lost.
Somer are you asking if you would assist a terminally ill person to end their life ?
If you are there is always another option for making someone comfortable whether or not the person wishes to take it is a personal decision. A few years ago I experienced it first hand.
After nursing my mum who was terminal in her last days at home there was no way I could of helped bring the end. At one point she did say “just put the pillow over my head “.
She was a stubborn mare & proclaimed she wasnt in pain but I know she was. It wasnt a nice experience & really the only thing I could do was make her time as comfortable as possible. She asked to go into the hospice but it was when SHE decided NOT us as her family.
Sadly she never made the hospice ( no bed but she did make the local cottage hospital) & that in an odd way was a lovely experience. She passed away very peacefully within 24 hours & she had the pain relief & care that we weren’t able to give at home.
As has been said euthanaisia is illegal but if someone is in their right mind to book their trip to Switzerland it should be their decision. Sadly anyone who accompanies can get into trouble for “assisting”.
The right to die is a debate that could run forever BUT unless you have actually been in that position & lived through it it’s easy to make sweeping statements & even easier to quote documentation from the Net .
Interesting thread though.
I have been watching this thread but am still a little lost. Somer are you asking if you would assist a terminally ill person to end their life ? If you are there is always another option for making someone comfortable whether or not the person wishes to take it is a personal decision. A few years ago I experienced it first hand. After nursing my mum who was terminal in her last days at home there was no way I could of helped bring the end. At one point she did say “just put the pillow over my head “. She was a stubborn mare & proclaimed she wasnt in pain but I know she was. It wasnt a nice experience & really the only thing I could do was make her time as comfortable as possible. She asked to go into the hospice but it was when SHE decided NOT us as her family. Sadly she never made the hospice ( no bed but she did make the local cottage hospital) & that in an odd way was a lovely experience. She passed away very peacefully within 24 hours & she had the pain relief & care that we weren’t able to give at home. As has been said euthanaisia is illegal but if someone is in their right mind to book their trip to Switzerland it should be their decision. Sadly anyone who accompanies can get into trouble for “assisting”. The right to die is a debate that could run forever BUT unless you have actually been in that position & lived through it it’s easy to make sweeping statements & even easier to quote documentation from the Net . Interesting thread though.
I’d have a lot to say on the above, but as I said, I’m done with serious here.
Baiting me Arc, is not working, it really isn’t
Interesting posts from gerry and arc.
Blossom, you just to very firm conclusions far too quickly.
I’ve often said that there’s something called giving the benefit of the doubt.
Just because you were taken for a ride by someone unnamed and taken for a ride bigtime, doesn’t mean that everyone here is the same. We’re not all goody goody two-shoes, but nor are we all trolls and tricksters.
No i am not Arc.What im asking is would you kill yourself,how would you and could you go though with it?
Interesting posts from gerry and arc. Blossom, you just to very firm conclusions far too quickly. I’ve often said that there’s something called giving the benefit of the doubt. Just because you were taken for a ride by someone unnamed and taken for a ride bigtime, doesn’t mean that everyone here is the same. We’re not all goody goody two-shoes, but nor are we all trolls and tricksters.
What can I say Skep, if you can’t see the bait in the last paragraph Arc wrote, it must be just me then.
I know a bait when I see one … and I know that person well enough (from the boards), to say that that was a bait.
I’ve often said that there’s something called giving the benefit of the doubt.
I’ve never heard that from you; but I’ve heard it from Alfie often.
No offence, but you’re starting to sound like him.
I have been watching this thread but am still a little lost. Somer are you asking if you would assist a terminally ill person to end their life ? If you are there is always another option for making someone comfortable whether or not the person wishes to take it is a personal decision. A few years ago I experienced it first hand. After nursing my mum who was terminal in her last days at home there was no way I could of helped bring the end. At one point she did say “just put the pillow over my head “. She was a stubborn mare & proclaimed she wasnt in pain but I know she was. It wasnt a nice experience & really the only thing I could do was make her time as comfortable as possible. She asked to go into the hospice but it was when SHE decided NOT us as her family. Sadly she never made the hospice ( no bed but she did make the local cottage hospital) & that in an odd way was a lovely experience. She passed away very peacefully within 24 hours & she had the pain relief & care that we weren’t able to give at home. As has been said euthanaisia is illegal but if someone is in their right mind to book their trip to Switzerland it should be their decision. Sadly anyone who accompanies can get into trouble for “assisting”. The right to die is a debate that could run forever BUT unless you have actually been in that position & lived through it it’s easy to make sweeping statements & even easier to quote documentation from the Net . Interesting thread though.
I’d have a lot to say on the above, but as I said, I’m done with serious here. Baiting me Arc, is not working, it really isn’t
Excuse me Blossom … get off your high horse!
I was adding a comment NOT baiting you at all . (Can’t be bothered it’s not all about you).
There was no malice at all directed at anyone! It is a very interesting thread & I have watched with interest at people contributions & some good points have been made.
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