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22 December, 2009 at 3:07 pm #426145
I dont want to be to hard here, because a poor guy dying at such a young age and all, and if it brings his family comfort ok, but all these thousands of idiots flocking to the house? Mysterious oil indeed.
THE home of a car crash victim has become a shrine after a mysterious oil said to have healing powers began weeping from the walls.
The oil started to appear in the western Sydney home of George and Lina Tannous just weeks after their 17-year-old son Mike died in a car accident in September 2006.
His family now credit the oil for six “miracles”, including helping one woman become pregnant and curing another of cancer.
Mrs Tannous, who believes the oil is a sign that Mike’s spirit is still with them, said: “Mike is a messenger between us and God. He has healed so many people.
“Our boy is a saint. This is him talking to us, talking to other people.”
Extensive scientific testing of the liquid has failed to identify exactly what it is but that has not stopped hundreds coming to pray at the home.
Last year doctors told a woman living near the Tannous’ house she could not have the third child she desperately wanted.
Mike’s aunt Susan Sawan said: “She came here and prayed … one month later she came with a box of chocolates and said ‘Guess what, I am pregnant’.”
The oil has appeared on almost every wall of the three bedroom house in the Australian suburb of Guildford, as well as on framed photos of Mike and other religious icons.
The house, which has attracted visitors from all over the world, even has its own opening times, but the family insists they do not charge for any of the oil and do not accept donations.
George, 50, and Lina, 39, are now calling for their son to be made a saint.
The couple have three other children, two sons, Daniel, 19, and Laurie, 14, as well as a daughter, Daniella, nine.
George, who came to Australia from the Lebanon 37 years ago, said he and his family are all committed Christians.
He added: “There is no question, this is a miracle. At this time of year, it is a Christmas miracle. My son’s spirit is in this house.
“He loved God and Jesus. He has come to this house and the oil is his spirit. He was always religious. He carried Rosary beads and he had a cross tattooed on his back.
“He wanted to help people in life and this is his way of doing that in death.”
22 December, 2009 at 4:20 pm #426146More religous tomfoolery. This one’s funny though. I can imagine lots of defences of “My preist told me to do it”.
A priest who advised needy people to shoplift in certain circumstances has been criticised by a retailers’ group.
Father Tim Jones, parish priest of St Lawrence and St Hilda in York, said stealing was a “better moral thing to do” than robbery or prostitution.
The British Retail Consortium said shoplifting was wrong but Father Jones said it was sometimes the only option.
The Archdeacon of York said he would be talking to the priest again to ask him to stop making his argument.
The priest’s comments were made in a sermon to his congregation on Sunday where he said stealing from large national chains was sometimes the best option for many vulnerable people.
He said: “My advice, as a Christian priest, is to shoplift.
“I do not offer such advice because I think that stealing is a good thing, or because I think it is harmless, for it is neither.
“I would ask that they do not steal from small, family businesses, but from national businesses, knowing that the costs are ultimately passed on to the rest of us in the form of higher prices.”
But Mr Dobbs said shoplifting was wrong no matter what the circumstances.
He said: “I would have hoped that a vicar of all people would understand that there’s a plain principal difference between right and wrong and stealing is wrong and it’s wrong in all circumstances.
“The effect is of course to pile on costs to retailers which ultimately filter through to the prices that are paid by honest customers.
“There’s often a big human cost in retail crime which is that staff are often abused or even attacked when they intervene to try and stop it.”
‘Highly irresponsible’
Speaking on BBC Breakfast earlier, Father Jones defended his remarks and said: “When we, as a society, let our most vulnerable people down so terribly badly, I would rather that people take an 80p can of ravioli rather than turn to some of the most appalling things.
“Burglary causes untold harm and damage to people in a way that taking a can of spaghetti rings from a supermarket doesn’t.
“That’s not to say that shoplifting is good. Shoplifting is a dreadful thing but sometimes that’s all we leave people with.”
However the Archdeacon of York, the Venerable Richard Seed, said: “I know what Tim is doing and where he’s coming from. But I really don’t think that the church can in that sense condone or even support shoplifting because it will often lead somebody into deeper trouble.”
Mr Seed said he had already asked Father Jones to stop making his argument but he would now need to talk to him again.
North Yorkshire Police has described the sermon as “highly irresponsible”.
22 December, 2009 at 4:32 pm #426147Now having read it (them) twice what the hell has any of that got to do with religion. Some idiot who happens to be a priest and some desperate people looking for a miracle. Of course there’s not an athiest on this planet who would advocate shoplifting or try and turn a profit out of scamming desperate people
22 December, 2009 at 4:34 pm #426148Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
More tea vicar…. :)
22 December, 2009 at 4:36 pm #426149Didnt wanna start another thread for them Pete, so thought this might be the most convienient place to put them.
Enough commandment toomfoolery from you already. =;
22 December, 2009 at 4:57 pm #426150‘Twas Gaz, not Pete….
22 December, 2009 at 7:50 pm #426151‘Twas Gaz, not Pete….
:?: :? :?:
23 December, 2009 at 12:45 pm #426152IF we (Some Of Us) don’t believe in God, then should we be celebrating Christmas? :lol:
23 December, 2009 at 1:25 pm #426153whats chrimbo gotta do with god? thought it was about giving and receiving expensive gifts :lol: :lol:
23 December, 2009 at 1:30 pm #426154Or Just Giving And Receiving! :-
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