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    I heard this morning that the powers that be are going to limit the use of a drug for alzheimers ……apparently this drug prolongs a symptom free period in sufferers of this condition. There reasoning for limiting use is that this drug doesnt actually cure the alheimers………wots that all bout then???????

    We have all also heard news reports of late about postcoded treatment, how some cancer vicitms cannot recieve revolutionary new drugs etc………

    My point is there cant be many people who havent given to the various medical research charities, so why are we giving if it is almost a case of russian roulette as to whether you will get the treatment anyway?

    hugsssssss xxxx

    #221153

    But surely this can’t be true. We are constantly being told that the New Labour government is putting more money and more resources into the NHS than ever before. We have more doctors & more nurses & …. well….. just more of everything.

    Surely there is some mistake?????

    #221154

    Cas

    @cath 55 wrote:

    I heard this morning that the powers that be are going to limit the use of a drug for alzheimers ……apparently this drug prolongs a symptom free period in sufferers of this condition. There reasoning for limiting use is that this drug doesnt actually cure the alheimers………wots that all bout then???????

    We have all also heard news reports of late about postcoded treatment, how some cancer vicitms cannot recieve revolutionary new drugs etc………

    My point is there cant be many people who havent given to the various medical research charities, so why are we giving if it is almost a case of russian roulette as to whether you will get the treatment anyway?

    hugsssssss xxxx

    I don’t know much about the drugs Cath, but I do agree with you, in that they do prolong a sympton free period so achieving a better quality of life for the sufferer.

    There’s no actual ”cure” for cancer. There are various treatments, some of which I received myself and i’m in remission, but thats all they can do. The threat is always there that it could come back, in a lot of cases it does.

    Cancer treatment does itself, become a postcode lottery, and it’s exactly like the authorities playing russian roullette with peoples lives and it’s sooooo wrong!!!

    A couple of weeks ago, I read in one of the newspapers, I can’t remember which one, but on the same page, was the story about John Prescott, having technically been sacked, but keeping his salary, and all the other things that make his life comfortable. The other story was about a woman who had died, lost her battle with cancer, the night before. She left behind, a husband and children. She was 26. Her local NHS authority had refused to fund her treatment. The story was obviously done for effect, but for me it worked, it had the desired effect of thinking that I hope John Prescott enjoys his luxury, I hope too that one day, he will be given no other choice, than to have to play the game of russian roullette with his own life.

    #221155

    No system, no matter how well funded, can apply unlimited resources to unlimited patients. At some point the system is going to have to apply the practices of triage, even if the nation/local council/insurance company/whatever uses one hundred per cent of its budget to fund its health departments. Some awful, heart-breaking cases are always going to end up on the wrong side of this immutable law.

    #221156

    Maybe, Pikey there is some fact in recognising that there can never and will never be enough money in the pot to fund every treatment for every illness.

    BUT, as someone who works in the health service, dont kid yourself that any decisions made upon who receives what is based on anything other than financial rationale. Patient outcome and patient benefit are not a consideration.

    #221157

    This government is pouring money into the NHS like it’s never been poured in before.
    Tony Blair and Co. can’t understand why people are complaining.

    Vote Tory because you can obviously afford BUPA after the tax cuts. :roll:

    #221158

    @slayer wrote:

    Maybe, Pikey there is some fact in recognising that there can never and will never be enough money in the pot to fund every treatment for every illness.

    BUT, as someone who works in the health service, dont kid yourself that any decisions made upon who receives what is based on anything other than financial rationale. Patient outcome and patient benefit are not a consideration.

    Agreed, Slayer, but availability of resources are obviously part of the triage system in every situation – micro or macro. If by spending a million pounds on one patient you don’t have enough money to treat one hundred others then the decision makes itself.

    #221159

    @Ow£n Ka$h wrote:

    This government is pouring money into the NHS like it’s never been poured in before.
    Tony Blair and Co. can’t understand why people are complaining.

    Vote Tory because you can obviously afford BUPA after the tax cuts. :roll:

    Perhaps not the thread for an NHS debate but continued changes, new ways of working, targets, initiatives, a new wage structure, new GP contracts and new Out of Hours services, etc etc etc has meant little of this massive increase in investment has gone on front line services- the GP contract changes alone cost an extra (unexpected) £300 million pounds.

    After 20 years, I am getting to the stage where a change of employment into the private sector is looking very attractive.

    I cannot agree Pikey with the principle of 1 patient benefitting at the cost of £10,000 means 100 patient missing out on treatment costing £100 and therefore unfair, so we withdraw the treatment to the 1, to ensure treatment to the 100

    If that were true, we would shut all ICU departments, CCU departments, in fact any intensive treatment centres and let these people die as the cost per patient, standard and length of care and nurse/patient ration is vastly inflated compared to a normal standard hospital admission.

    If the pot is finite, then the decision should at least be clinical and not financial

    #221160

    I didn’t say it was unfair, Slayer, I said it was obviously part of the triage system. Available resources, including but not exclusively pure cost itself, must inform the process.

    #221161

    This government is trying to make the largest employer in Europe (the NHS) work effectively and efficiently.

    If you earn £50,000 a year and can afford BUPA, vote for the Tories and their tax cuts. :roll:

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