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  • #1005866

    If you could vote in the American election, who would you vote for ?

    #1006139

    You go first!

    #1006206

    Well well, being my neighbors it is kinda of freakish. I personally wouldn’t vote for either one but heck..no Trump please… ;-)

     

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    #1006400

    This whole election cycle has been never-ending and depressing.

    #1006435

    Agrees with starshine.

    Hillary is an awful candidate. When all Americans (and Brits too!) want change, she is ‘no change’ in person.

    But Trump?? *screams

     

    All the sharp money is still on Hillary, but it’s getting nervous. It remembers the confidence about Britain voting to stay in the EU, and the shock when we didn’t.

     

    It doesn’t depend on percentages of vote, in polls or the real election. Several times, the candidate with the most votes lost the election (think of Albert gore in 2000, who got more votes than GW Bush)). It depends on one of them getting a majority in a few important states, and Hillary has a good advantage in most of them.

     

    But who thought Trump would ever get so far? He looks convincing on the hustings lately *trembles, remembering Brexit.

     

    #1007164

    Surely Trump will be a disaster.

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    #1007261

    Hmmm… c!inton has always been slotted by the special interests and corporatists for this position. She has been grooming herself for this long before she ran.
    7rumps campaign was a joke from the get go – a lark, a point being made, according to his resigned campaign manager of previous. In any case, his own staff didn’t think it would go so far. But it did.

    He wants power, pure and simple. He IS the 1% and he wants to lead the 1% by and for the 1%. The 1% doesn’t like him because he’s an ignorant dunce – and he is.
    As far as I am concerned, he is going to lead us to certain destruction vis a vis a worse than bad Hitler.

    She, on the other hand, is a war monger of the worst kind, a corporatist, a liar..

    You see none of them are for or representative of the American people – and for the first time in a LONG time most of the American people KNOW it. They aren’t gossiping about it in the quiet – they are all sharing it.

    Each side says the other will destroy this country but the truth is — BOTH sides will destroy America as we know it! :)

    We are voting in our third party. We aren’t wasting a vote on either person who will destroy life as we know it – I, the parent, of three males.

    We are voting for the environment, which can’t take much more of the military industrial complex. We are voting for our foods, which can’t take much more altering and poisoning of our bodies. We are voting for our children, what can’t take more war and need clean air and water to breathe. We are voting for education which will increase and strengthen the knowledge our citizens have, and enable them to make SOUND choices and decisions in their day to day lives and in their elections – small and large.

    Yes, we are voting third party. We aren’t throwing away our vote by not voting – we are not voting either one of those H!tlers into office. We are not cowering.

    But, yes, we believe H!lary will “win” just as GWB won with the “hanging chads”.

    #1008815

    I guess I called that one wrong. I was totally in disbelief when 7rump won. I was glad, because it meant we wouldn’t be killing millions upon millions of people in other countries, or sending my three sons to war.

    But I am very, very sad that 7rump won. I also am devastated that so many millennials and progressive baby boomers didn’t vote at all. What is that about? We NEEDED them to vote third party so we could have three official parties starting in 2020. But no, we won’t have that.

    I really couldn’t see either one of them winning – I really thought a third party would win, or there would be a tie (what would happen if there were a tie, anyway).

    Well…. I guess the whole world waits now. We have a Republican House and Senate now, and more Republicans in the Supreme Court. Obama didn’t appoint a Dem or Third party and if he leaves a vacancy in the Supreme Court, I shake to see who 7rump will put in.

    I guess half of us deserve what we get, and the other half.. we are going to be dragged along. I know we aren’t the only country in the world, and I thank God for that. I really hope we don’t fall as hard as Rome did, though.

    #1008993

    If it’s any consolation, Trump already appears to be moderating his policy positions.

    The fact is, he’s an unknown. We have no idea what his policies will really be, nor what will truly change.

    Time will tell.

    #1009177

    Martin,

    you’re right in one sense. We have just over two months when we’ll know next to nothing about what he’s going to do as he prepares tobe inaugurated.

    His policy positions were so over-the-top because he was shooting his mouth off, and reality along with the institutions which were set up over 200 years ago will prevent him doing his worst if he ever tried. A President can be weak or strong depending on how he handles those institutions.

    But on the other hand he’s not a blank card. We know that he is going to put forward an America_First foreign policy, and that his economic strategy looks likely to be pretty radical in terms of tax cuts and spending, and in terms of trade policy.

    How radical, we don’t know. How much he’ll back track we don’t know. We both agree on this.

    But he’s been elected in order to do something about America, to benefit ordinary people who’ve been left behind (such a close parallel with Brexit).

    I’m less worried about the initial part of his presidency, where he will be feeling his way. An initial boost in the economy may well turn into a slump at some point. If so, then people will realise that things are not going to be getting better. As a populist, he needs popular aupport and if it goes then he’ll be tempted to reach for his gun in all sorts of ways.

    His first choices are clever but keeping all options open – his Chief of Staff is a conciliator who can help Trump manage Congress – Reince Priebus. Normally the Chief of Staff is the most important figure in the White House, but Trump has also appointed the ultra-right racist and all-round nutcase Steve Bannon as his Chief Strategist. I am assuming this is to counter balance Priebus. Trump will rely on both – nobody can say who he will rely on most at this moment in time, but I don’t feel confident.

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