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Okay, so let’s look at some facts then, British territories are some of the most populated areas in the world per Km2. Gibraltar is the 5th highest density at 12,624 per Km2, Bermuda is 9th at 3,310 per Km2, Jersey is 13th at 2,186 per Km2, Guernsey is 14th at 2,072 per Km2 and Britain itself is 51st at 694 per Km2. 51st place may not sound like a lot but I think the following image should provide some context as to what this means.
And yes, I know only Gibraltar and Britain are included in the EU’s freedom of movement, but that does not change the fact that overpopulation in general is an issue for British managed territories.
we have made a democratic decision and we will be made to suffer for it ( EU has openly said so )
The EU has a very weak negotiating position, for many reasons, but chiefly that the UK’s budget contribution and military power cannot be replaced, and secondly that the EU may not even exist in a few years depending on the outcome of elections. If Le Pen wins in France then it is likely that the EU will collapse shortly afterwards if she follows though on her campaign promises to leave the Eurozone and end freedom of movement.
however already we have back peddling by government e.g. immigration not to be restricted for at least 5 years. all ongoing EU rules etc to be adopted and so on.
Failure to address these concerns will result in a Tory/UKIP coalition in 2020, I think this is fairly certain regarless of how you feel about UKIP or it’s current management problems.
no real changes to immigration control etc another referendum will be held .
There will never be a second referendum, the only way that would happen is if the Lib Dems had a majority government in 2020, which is nearly impossible and would already be too late.
aving suffered badly by leaving made to go cap in hand to EU asking to rejoin? thus allowing EU to say it was right all along and remainers pushing leaving voters to set aside any thought of self governance or independence as economic needs outweigh sovereignty and desire for freedom etc.
The EU has nothing to offer Britain.
one tries not to be cynical but wonder if government is quietly paving way for UK ltd to fail after leaving in order to do vote right way? after all didn’t we see Ireland having to vote again and again until it voted ‘ correctly’.
This is what the EU does in southern and eastern Europe commonly, but I don’t think it has enough influence here to achieve that. I don’t think the Tories are stupid enough to do this either, they know they will hemorage voters to UKIP if it was discovered.
I voted Brexit but it is fascinating reading not only the extreme views of some Brexiters, but also the hardline views of some who voted Remain. Both still as unbending and unflexible as each other. Both still looking to silence the other side with emotive gibberish, not based on any evidence. To suggest this country is overcrowded is just not backed up by any hard facts. Urbanisation has made the UK crowded, not a lack of land, of which vast swathes are still owned by the land owning class and the Crown etc. Who have been paid an absulute small fortune by the EU, our money btw, not to farm and a direct consequence has been land hogging, pushing up the cost of land and house prices. Keeping supply low and so those prices high and yet another indirect EU created cartel. To suggest economic migration can be controlled immediately, while so much of our service sector driven economy is still reliant on the cheap movement of labor, is just not currently realistic. To suggest 17.4 million Brexiters are xenophobic “little englanders” is of course ludicrous. That we are now somehow stuck with the tories and the right wing, the liberal class is also right wing and so get off your arses and vote for an alternative and if there isn’t an alternative (which there isn’t currently) then your beloved neoliberal EU cartel is indirectly responsible. EU membership has guaranteed that the political class, not just in the UK but all over Europe, is now lazy and self entitled. They churn out language like “progressive” which means absolutely nothing in real terms and ultimately there is nothing progressive about EU membership unless you are an impoverished economic migrant from Eastern Europe etc. The liberal EU class now tell us that the likes of Corbyn are “hard left” when 60 years ago he would have been considered barely to the centre of the left. EU membership has also ensured voter apathy, where 40% don’t even bother voting and the FPTP system puts in place the same political elites, the PPE university class, who have never done a days hard graft in their entire lives before they are parachuted into SPAD postions and safe seats. Blah Blah.
What do you mean when you state there are no facts to substantiate England being overcrowded when we are the most densely populated country in Europe behind only Malta? Every country in Europe has “Urbanisation “, that doesn’t detract from the fact we are the most densely populated country on the continent having recently surpassed The Netherlands. You can’t use an an argument of Urbanisation to attempt to mitigate or understate the population density.. the figures take into account all land area of England and we are the most densely populated country on the continent so you’re talking nonsense.
The reason there is such a large proportion of the “unskilled workforce ” originating from the immigrant workers sector is due to employers knowing they will often work for or below the minimum wage so let’s stop kidding ourselves this isn’t the primary reason as they simply undercut wages of English nationals.
Okay, so let’s look at some facts then, British territories are some of the most populated areas in the world per Km2. Gibraltar is the 5th highest density at 12,624 per Km2, Bermuda is 9th at 3,310 per Km2, Jersey is 13th at 2,186 per Km2, Guernsey is 14th at 2,072 per Km2 and Britain itself is 51st at 694 per Km2. 51st place may not sound like a lot but I think the following image should provide some context as to what this means.
And yes, I know only Gibraltar and Britain are included in the EU’s freedom of movement, but that does not change the fact that overpopulation in general is an issue for British managed territories.
Much of Scotland is uninhabitable so you should be looking at figures for England which is a country in its own right rather than Scotland etc unless we should all have to migrate there due to the obscene numbers south of Hadrians wall.
I expect there’s been more information bounced around here regarding Brexit than the House of Commons knows about 😉
Much of Scotland is uninhabitable so you should be looking at figures for England which is a country in its own right rather than Scotland etc unless we should all have to migrate there due to the obscene numbers south of Hadrians wall.
If you have those figures then I would like to see them.
Much of Scotland is uninhabitable so you should be looking at figures for England which is a country in its own right rather than Scotland etc unless we should all have to migrate there due to the obscene numbers south of Hadrians wall.
If you have those figures then I would like to see them.
Figures for what?
Figures for what?
Population density of England
http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20160105160709/http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/guide-method/compendiums/compendium-of-uk-statistics/population-and-migration/index.html
The ONS statistics are showing a lower population density for England than the ones I had for the whole uk, interesting.
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