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still an issue . we have made a democratic decision and we will be made to suffer for it ( EU has openly said so ) however already we have back peddling by government e.g. immigration not to be restricted for at least 5 years. all ongoing EU rules etc to be adopted and so on. we have to start wondering if with new government in few years time . no real changes to immigration control etc another referendum will be held . having suffered badly by leaving made to go cap in hand to EU asking to rejoin? thus allowing EU to say it was right all along and remainers pushing leaving voters to set aside any thought of self governance or independence as economic needs outweigh sovereignty and desire for freedom etc. one tries not to be cynical but wonder if government is quietly paving way for UK ltd to fail after leaving in order to do vote right way? after all didn’t we see Ireland having to vote again and again until it voted ‘ correctly’.
The rest is just faff, modelled on Drac’s tactici of salami slicing sentences to accurately represent their meaning and commenting on them
Thankyou
in your dreams did I say that lol
still an issue . we have made a democratic decision and we will be made to suffer for it ( EU has openly said so ) however already we have back peddling by government e.g. immigration not to be restricted for at least 5 years. all ongoing EU rules etc to be adopted and so on. we have to start wondering if with new government in few years time . no real changes to immigration control etc another referendum will be held . having suffered badly by leaving made to go cap in hand to EU asking to rejoin? thus allowing EU to say it was right all along and remainers pushing leaving voters to set aside any thought of self governance or independence as economic needs outweigh sovereignty and desire for freedom etc. one tries not to be cynical but wonder if government is quietly paving way for UK ltd to fail after leaving in order to do vote right way? after all didn’t we see Ireland having to vote again and again until it voted ‘ correctly’.
Now that would be nice, another referendum and us going back.
My guess is that we’re out for good. My hope is that we’ll have a relationship with the EU which is the least damaging possible, and which paves the way for eventual rejoining.
Mrs May back-pedalling om immigration, etc is called living in the real world.
I have never advocated vengeance, and wouldn’t.
You said on a previous thread when you felt Blossom was being bullied,. ” I know what I would advise her to do,. and what do if I was her, I would rip all your heads off, and good luck to her if she does” Or something similar,. that is clearly advocating vengeance.
nope..never said that.
No more than I would advocate rape or murder.
sorry.
Why are you quoting a black supremacist?
It’s also a guy who was shot dead in a Harlem ballroom, which makes it very difficult for him to improve his performance next time – in anything.
Why are you quoting a black supremacist?
Because I didn’t think it would be appropriate to quote a white supremacist. Maybe next time I will.
I actually didn’t give it any bearing that they were the words of a black supremacist. I guess he can be described as other things too, such as a human rights activist?
I just like the words, and the point he makes, and found it relevant to the point I was making to Scep. Anyone could have said those words really and I’d still have quoted them.
We’re leaving the EU so suck it up and accept what the majority have decided. I feel extremely angry at the absurd length of time having to wait for doctors appointments due to ” freedom of movement” or having roads clogged up like arteries in an obese chain smoker every time I leave the house due to ” freedom of movement”. I resent the culture the EU has blatantly encouraged of migrants simply coming here to sponge on the NHS as health tourists whilst claiming benefits for a new toilet to be constructed in Romania … freedom of movement isn’t a good thing, it’s stripping the country of it’s resources from a financial perspective and destroying our culture/values. What we have now is a grossly overpopulated country unable to cope with the numbers of people that being part of EU encourages to come here with any waif and stray arriving paying hundreds of millions of pounds to be governed by a bunch of faceless bureaucrats in Brussels.. sooner we leave the better and thankfully we are.
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I voted Brexit but it is fascinating reading not only the extreme views of some Brexiters, but also the hardline views of some who voted Remain. Both still as unbending and unflexible as each other. Both still looking to silence the other side with emotive gibberish, not based on any evidence.
To suggest this country is overcrowded is just not backed up by any hard facts. Urbanisation has made the UK crowded, not a lack of land, of which vast swathes are still owned by the land owning class and the Crown etc. Who have been paid an absulute small fortune by the EU, our money btw, not to farm and a direct consequence has been land hogging, pushing up the cost of land and house prices. Keeping supply low and so those prices high and yet another indirect EU created cartel.
To suggest economic migration can be controlled immediately, while so much of our service sector driven economy is still reliant on the cheap movement of labor, is just not currently realistic. To suggest 17.4 million Brexiters are xenophobic “little englanders” is of course ludicrous. That we are now somehow stuck with the tories and the right wing, the liberal class is also right wing and so get off your arses and vote for an alternative and if there isn’t an alternative (which there isn’t currently) then your beloved neoliberal EU cartel is indirectly responsible.
EU membership has guaranteed that the political class, not just in the UK but all over Europe, is now lazy and self entitled. They churn out language like “progressive” which means absolutely nothing in real terms and ultimately there is nothing progressive about EU membership unless you are an impoverished economic migrant from Eastern Europe etc.
The liberal EU class now tell us that the likes of Corbyn are “hard left” when 60 years ago he would have been considered barely to the centre of the left. EU membership has also ensured voter apathy, where 40% don’t even bother voting and the FPTP system puts in place the same political elites, the PPE university class, who have never done a days hard graft in their entire lives before they are parachuted into SPAD postions and safe seats.
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The heavyweights are joining the fray.
To suggest this country is overcrowded is just not backed up by any hard facts. Urbanisation has made the UK crowded, not a lack of land
Okay, so let’s look at some facts then, British territories are some of the most populated areas in the world per Km2. Gibraltar is the 5th highest density at 12,624 per Km2, Bermuda is 9th at 3,310 per Km2, Jersey is 13th at 2,186 per Km2, Guernsey is 14th at 2,072 per Km2 and Britain itself is 51st at 694 per Km2. 51st place may not sound like a lot but I think the following image should provide some context as to what this means.
So yes, overpopulation is definitely a problem here.
Who have been paid an absulute small fortune by the EU, our money btw, not to farm and a direct consequence has been land hogging, pushing up the cost of land and house prices. Keeping supply low and so those prices high and yet another indirect EU created cartel.
This is mostly accurate, but that is not the only reason why property prices are high, failure to introduce proper pricing controls and foreign investment, especially in London are to blame also.
To suggest economic migration can be controlled immediately, while so much of our service sector driven economy is still reliant on the cheap movement of labor, is just not currently realistic.
Cheap labour already exists due to free movement, continueing to allow this will further lower the cost of labour and make the problem worse.
That we are now somehow stuck with the tories and the right wing, the liberal class is also right wing and so get off your arses and vote for an alternative and if there isn’t an alternative (which there isn’t currently) then your beloved neoliberal EU cartel is indirectly responsible.
The left is completely unable to respond to this, and will be unable to for a decade or two most likely. In addition, neo-liberalism is about as far to the right as it is possible to go, it is in no means a left wing ideal.
EU membership has guaranteed that the political class, not just in the UK but all over Europe, is now lazy and self entitled. They churn out language like “progressive” which means absolutely nothing in real terms and ultimately there is nothing progressive about EU membership unless you are an impoverished economic migrant from Eastern Europe etc.
I don’t think you really understand what the term progressive means, it is somewhat complicated and would require a thread of it’s own to fully discuss. But I would describe it as a term used to describe the common goals shared by the actual far right (neo-liberals), and the far left. The right can import people to act as a cheap labour force, and the left can pretend they are helping the ‘oppressed classes’.
The liberal EU class now tell us that the likes of Corbyn are “hard left” when 60 years ago he would have been considered barely to the centre of the left.
I don’t really think this is an accurate description of Corbyn’s political positions. You are talking about the man who removed the long standing ban on trotskyists from joining the Labour party, and is only kept in power as far as I can see by Momentum, who I would describe as being neo-marxist. Corbyn himself may or may not be a true believer in the far left, but he is in a position where he must act in their interests to maintain his own position.
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