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No, you’re missing the point.
Politics rule our lives – football or music doesn’t.
They are hobbies at the most.
So being passionate about a vote which could change our lives for the better/worse is pretty logical.1 member liked this post.
No, you’re missing the point. Politics rule our lives – football or music doesn’t.
I’m not sure a lot of football fans would agree with this statment, lol.
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My Dad has lived in Spain for many years and he’s very worried about the future. Having put pretty much everything in the pot to move, there wont be enough to make a move back to the UK, not that he wants to come back. Uncertain times for the ex-pats.
tinks, I have friends in Portugal who are in the same boat.
As EU citizens they settled there, in a beautiful part of the country, in the hope that after a lifetime of work, they would be able to live with the same rights to pensions, medical benefits etc etc as they would in the UK. They have the same rights as any Portuguese,because they were EU citizens living in the EU.
French, German, Italian etc citizens enjoy this right.
Now it’s all up in the air. They are becoming UK citizens living abroad as foreigners, dependent on the whims of a foreign government, a major curtailment of their freedom..
Hopefully, a deal will be found but it’s by no means guaranteed. They may find some rights curtailed.
If Britain leaves the EU without any deal at all, they are in real trouble.
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Please excuse the football analogy, but Scep you’re coming with the same mentality of a football hooligan. A hooligan gets “extremely angry” when they lose.
Get a grip, Alfie.
If someone comes into my house, cons their way into grabbing the property deeds, and then runs off with a big laugh on their face because it’s all perfectly legal, I get very angry.
That doesn’t make me a football hooligan, or the conman a football team supporter.
It makes me the victim of a legalised theft.
I have had my EU citizenship rights stolen from me. I won’t be able to live anywhere in the EU with the same pension, benefit rights etc as others. I can go to live or work in the EU as I can in Syria, Botswana or Albania, but I’ll be a foreigner dependent on the decisions of a foreign government., as in those latter countries. Other members of the EU will be able to live and work freely through much of Europe with the rights and benefits whihc are now being taken away from me.
A football game. pah. Wake up, man.
You pay to get in a football game.
Without any of us being aware, we’ve placed ourselves in a position where our money has lost a large amount of its value, and where we are in a position of economic uncertainty in a major gamble with our livelihood. That isn’t something which was made clear; quite the opposite. We were told everything was going to be fine.
Now we’ll see. let’s hope we weren’t misinformed on that one. Mrs May is certainly finding herself in a very weak bargaining position, and playing it with very different rules now than even a month ago.
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BB I’m glad he’s wasting 8 minutes of my valuable time telling us how happy we’re all going to be, as otherwise he might be trying to beat up some poor Polish guy at a bus stop somewhere.
Spain still has a major problem with unemployment, but it’s not immigration that is the point here. It’s free movement of people
Spain has a lot more problems than unemployment, but its good you’re finally admiting that freedom of movement has negative effects on the native population. The only thing you have said about the EU in this post is negative.
That has now disappeared.
No, people will still be able to travel and live in France and Spain. What was that you were saying about falsehoods?
There are many problems connected with free movement of people, as there are many problems with democracy.
I don’t know anyone who puts Spain’s problems of unemployment down to free movment of people? It was down to the reverberations of the financial crash of 2008, and to germany’s economic policy of running a trade surplus at all costs.
I’ve answered the above point about people working and travelling with regard to tinks and alfie.
Political hooliganism,… or it’s where we could be heading, if Scep and his bolshy lot congregate to demonstrate about losing (like with football hooligans) and then mass hysteria kicks in (like with football hooligans) and all that pent up anger explodes (like with football hooligans) we have civil unrest and then the riot police will batter the shyte out of him, and his mob, (like with football hooligans) he’s too old for all that. Besides, that’s not democratic politics which I’m sure we all want.
Forget football, forget politics even, this is about anger, don’t let the analogy take over the theme. Anger is an intense emotional response, extreme anger is many things including dangerous, and heavily implies violence, things that are dangerous need to be addressed. It seems remarkable and noteworthy that an intelligent mature senior cannot keep his emotions in check. I’m sure lots of non Brexiters were upset by the result, but would they say they are angry, or extremely angry. I doubt it. One man’s loss is another man’s gain, why cant you see it that way? I could if it were the other way around.
Extreme anger is a display of someone who cannot keep their emotions in check, possibly emotionally dysfunctional behaviour in our conservative British culture, where we keep a stiff upper lip, keep our emotions in check, are democratic and tolerant, peaceful and civilised, and embrace adversity.
Maybe you’re fine with living in a society where people get extremely angry for losing a fair vote, or losing in general, if you are, that in itself condones football hooliganism.
Maybe Scep can clarify if he really means extremely angry, or whether he is using hyperbole, I’m guessinghe is just a bit upset, pissed off, there’s quite a difference.
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That doesn’t make me a football hooligan,
I never said you are a football hooligan, just displaying the same mentality and attitude. There is my point in a nutshell.
It makes me the victim of a legalised theft.
legalised theft = a consequence of making the wrong vote. well I was the victim of theft of my sovereignty and right to self govern by entering the EU in the first place.
Tough shyte, now you know what it feels like. Difference is, Im not extremely angry about it :)
Love and peace
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Furthermore, if not being an EU citizen is so important to you, I’d suggest emigrating to one of the other 27, and after 7 years you can apply for naturalisation and get your EU citizenship back. There might even be a provision made for you as a consequence of Brexit, where you can be spreed tracked in 3 or 5 years.
As for all changes in immigration regarding who can live in UK, and expats abroad, it’s most likely that any changes will not be back-dated. So everyone abroad will have the same status as they were. Only after the new laws will it start affecting people. We will not be kicking all the Spanish out, and they won’t be kicking all the Brits out.
Scep spoke a while back how he advocates vengeance, and now extreme anger. I think you might want to look at anger management therapy.
Love and Peace x
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alfie,,
get a grip, man, fgs. You’re losing a hold of reality.
I’ve never advocated vengeance, and I am not a football hooligan.
When someone feels angry that doesn’t make them a football hooligan. It just means they’re angry.
If a woman is raped, it doesn’t make her a football hooligan when she feels anger about it.
I well understand why she may want vengeance on the rapist. Don’t you, alfie????
Even so, I wouldn’t argue for her taking vengeance on the rapist.
I’m not saying Britain was raped, or lost a football match. I’m saying Britain was conned – or rather that 36% of the British electorate were conned.
We’re now propelled into one of the greatest gambles of my lifetime, with nobody able to reassure any one of us what they will do if things go wrong. There isn’t a Plan B – just a hope and a prayer.
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