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Anecdote doing the rounds…Slightly drunk Brexiteer on the train home last night, loudly discussing their celebrating Independence meal with his wife, among other general complaints about life, immigration etc.
‘Ah well’ he says ‘only a few more years and we can move to Spain…’Small woman sitting opposite me, who must have been 90 at least, dressed to the nines, clearly on way home from the theatre, leans over and says to the couple:
‘Excuse me. You won’t be able to move to Spain, that’s in Europe and you’ve voted to leave. It’s called freedom of movement and you’ve cleverly voted to take us out of the EU. And anyway, the very least you can do, now you’ve voted to take us out of a peace inducing closer cooperation with our neighbours, is have the decency to stick around and live with the consequences. You can’t just f**k up the country and then f**k off’She got a round of applause…”2 members liked this post.
No idea whether it’s fake or not.
It certainly reflects my attitude.
I feel extremely angry that I’ve been stripped of EU citizenship by a nationalist campaign based on falsehoods and pandering to prejudice.
Spain still has a major problem with unemployment, but it’s not immigration that is the point here. It’s free movement of people, so that we can live where we wish, whether it’s the sunny coast of Spain, the rich and warm countryside of Burgundy, or the wet misery of England.
That has now disappeared.
My Dad has lived in Spain for many years and he’s very worried about the future. Having put pretty much everything in the pot to move, there wont be enough to make a move back to the UK, not that he wants to come back.
Uncertain times for the ex-pats.1 member liked this post.
I feel extremely angry that I’ve been stripped of EU citizenship
Why? What have you been able to do that would be impossible without EU citizenship?
by a nationalist campaign based on falsehoods and pandering to prejudice.
Are we going to have this conversation again? There was multiple campaigns to leave, which one are you talking about, and what did they say that was a falsehood?
Spain still has a major problem with unemployment, but it’s not immigration that is the point here. It’s free movement of people
Spain has a lot more problems than unemployment, but its good you’re finally admiting that freedom of movement has negative effects on the native population.
The only thing you have said about the EU in this post is negative.
That has now disappeared.
No, people will still be able to travel and live in France and Spain.
What was that you were saying about falsehoods?
My Dad has lived in Spain for many years and he’s very worried about the future. Having put pretty much everything in the pot to move, there wont be enough to make a move back to the UK, not that he wants to come back. Uncertain times for the ex-pats.
Why would he have to come back?
The party refusing to guarentee the status of existing immigrants is the EU, they are the only reason that he would have to.
I feel extremely angry that I’ve been stripped of EU citizenship
Please excuse the football analogy, but Scep you’re coming with the same mentality of a football hooligan. A hooligan gets “extremely angry” when they lose. Maybe, maybe not, they lost to what they feel was a last minute dodgy offside or penalty call. What are you gonna do smash up my stadium now with all your bolshy mates? I reckon I might be more of a football hooligan than you are, although I cant match your “extreme anger” ..if my Brexit team lost to your bolshy angry types that can’t handle losing I would have congratulated you for winning fair and square, and get out the way quick before your anger turns to violence. I would then take comfort and solace in the fact that the majority “rule”… and as I am one for democracy, and I certainly wouldn’t be going on about it months later, and as I am in the minority perhaps my way of thinking isn’t the most popular, but I do understand that you can’t suddenly switch football teams because you’ve found a new better, “more popular” one. Same as the pop charts, that which is most popular becomes no1. did you get “extrtemely angry” because your favourite song, gets no2?
been stripped of EU citizenship by a nationalist campaign based on falsehoods and pandering to prejudice.
Never mind the bollox. The reason you will lose your EU citizenship has nothing to do with me voting for Brexit, because of the campaign. I was totally oblivious to the campaign. I was 0% prejudiced by it, I am able to formulate my own pros and cons for Brexit or Remain, over a long period, carefully evaluating, (isnt’t that what you’d like to think that you did? or maybe you got sucked into the campaign? well yes, you were affected by the campaign more than I was) It wasn’t an easy decision for me, and I had to give it a lot of thought. I did my own research to answer the questions I needed answering. I’m quite sure I’m not the only Brexit voter that did so either. As you say I ‘ve been affected by a campaign, and by falsehoods, and you’re now suffering, and angry as a result, nothing to do me and my Brexit vote :)
Love and Peace Man
Well said, 67 year old man.
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Please excuse the football analogy, but Scep you’re coming with the same mentality of a football hooligan. A hooligan gets “extremely angry” when they lose. Maybe, maybe not, they lost to what they feel was a last minute dodgy offside or penalty call. What are you gonna do smash up my stadium now with all your bolshy mates? I reckon I might be more of a football hooligan than you are, although I cant match your “extreme anger” ..if my Brexit team lost to your bolshy angry types that can’t handle losing I would have congratulated you for winning fair and square, and get out the way quick before your anger turns to violence. I would then take comfort and solace in the fact that the majority “rule”… and as I am one for democracy, and I certainly wouldn’t be going on about it months later, and as I am in the minority perhaps my way of thinking isn’t the most popular, but I do understand that you can’t suddenly switch football teams because you’ve found a new better, “more popular” one. Same as the pop charts, that which is most popular becomes no1. did you get “extrtemely angry” because your favourite song, gets no2?
Rather stupid analogy, as neither football nor music is ever going to affect our lives like politics do, if we make the wrong choice.It’s not as if our lives are going to change for the worse if we choose to listen to the sort of music that doesn’t make it to the top the charts or be fans of the teams that dont make it to the 1st Division.Could have said much worse on this – bit my tongue.1 member liked this post.
I did ask for the football analogy to be excused, ignore the waffle. Besides you’re missing my point.
Its the loser getting angry, I disapprove of. That’s what what football hooligans do. Same mentality and attitude. It’s unacceptable to get angry at losing,. what if we all did it? Can I use the word tantrum? It really is the exact same mentality as football hooligans. Show some dignity in defeat.
I’d say football and pop charts are far more popular in the UK than politics, and does affect a lot more people, and takes far more public interest. Not all of us are political scientists and have so much interest in it.
Pat Condell put it much better than I did.
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