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@terry wrote:
@sceptical guy wrote:
keep up the good work, Panda. Terry is reduced to smears and insults.
Mr Scept, you’ve tried your best to smear me because you think that is the best way of supporting your own feeble arguments with regards to our membership of the EU.
According to you I’m a BNP sympathiser. Really..? It’s not the kind of argument any decent, trustworthy debater would use unless he had a failed set of beliefs that really don’t stand up to scrutiny.
You’ve since apologised for that remark and rightly so.
In the past you’ve applauded Gordon Brown and George W Bush for their brand of politics and achievements so I really wonder how’ve you’ve got this rather shortsighted view of life in the 21sr century and that everything you say is right and should never be questioned.
When I read your views it’s clear to me that you – nor the BNP – have no real grasp of politics other that of your own blinkered viewpoint.
There is a life outside the EU – a life of self determination and democracy – and we will all be better off without these unelcted beaurocrats that shape our lives and our future whilst lining their own pockets with our money.
Terry, whenever I’ve made an error about you, I’ve withdrawn it and apologised. I’m sure that will happen in future.
So what’s your beef?
I’ve never supported the politics of Brown and Bush. But I did say that they saved us from the consequence of their own policy in the sort term – they stopped the system from plunging into a horror-show in the autumn of 08. The reason for that crisis was deep-rooted, and tehy did nothng to stop it developing – if you could have stopped it. But they did what was necessary. In the short term — we are now having to pay the bill, and we still have no clue as to how to stop it recurring. f you disagree, dear Telboy, say why and I’ll respond.
To use your own footballing imagery, Terry – play the ball, not the man. It’s bound to have a personal edge, but keep to the issues.
Get on to the issue.
Good work, Panda, on your exposure of UKIP.
Terry is of course not responsible for all the looney tunes who end up in UKIP.
There are of course fruit loops in all of the major parties but, being on the right and not being best friends with jonny foreigner, does potentially make UKIP a respectable gathering point for BNP types. Let’s hope UKIP is aware of this and will do something about it. If this does not happen, we would have to assume that Nigel Farage, far from being a decent chap who just disagrees with the EU, is a bit of a cad who shares the views of the extreme wing of his party.
To be fair these problems dog all political parties, although the big ones have more resources to root undesirables out.
It is for UKIP to take action, and Nigel Farage to distance himself from extreme right wing ideology.
@sceptical guy wrote:
Terry, whenever I’ve made an error about you, I’ve withdrawn it and apologised.
For this I should be grateful..? :roll:
I’ve said it before, non racist people really should be less concerned when someone from a minority claims to be abused or insulted and more concerned when the media and politicians, who claim to represent them, assume that the majority of British people are supportive or tolerant of bigotry.
I believe the UKIP quotes insult the British people and reveal the speakers’ unworldliness.
If withdrawal from the EU is good for the British people then does the colour of the voter matter? If UKIP leaders can buy into the idea of black people as a single block vote, does that indicate that they view all white British people as one and the same? Not wise in a politician.
As for Terry, I don’t recall him directly abusing someone because of their colour. I have thought that on occasions he used even more passionate and personal criticisms for those who express anti-racist views than he has for those who are pro-Europe.
To me, it it seems his use of the slogan “one race, the human race” is more a wish than a commitment. But he’s human, fallible and entitled to display that fallibility and deal with any result.
As for the current Government: they appear committed to withdrawal not just on Europe, but on just about every bit of social progress for the last 60 years. They are unafraid who they offend or damage as they are laying ground which will be as difficult to dig up as the monetarist foundations laid by their 80’s predecessor. Protected by 21st century Britain’s anathema for revolution, they are happy to ride roughshod and cocksure over any ‘pleb’ who gets in their way.
@wordsworth60 wrote:
To me, it it seems his use of the slogan “one race, the human race” is more a wish than a commitment.
Judgmental as ever.
@terry wrote:
. . . . Judgmental as ever.
Oh Terry, Oh Terry, Oh baby!
Personal opinions always reflect a level of judgement.
I reserve judgement on how much of your repeated failure to distance yourself from your petard is deliberate.
Terry is many things and I don’t always see eye to eye with him but he’s certainly not a racist.
Sceptical Guy,
please read this link and remind me why being in the EU is of such importance to the UK.
@panda12 wrote:
Terry is many things and I don’t always see eye to eye with him but he’s certainly not a racist.
Thanks.
This racism-finger-pointing synopsis is typical of the politically correct numpties that troll message boards.
But really it’s all mind over matter isn’t it?
I don’t mind and the likes of Irish Lucy, Sceptical Guy and tinks really don’t matter.
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