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What ever way you look at it she’s a looooon !
@chickenman wrote:
I can understand someone maybe shaking a baby to keep it quite in a lapse of control or even throw a baby in a cot and injure them but to get a knife and then kill their own children one by one is not a spontaneous act in my opinion, just pure evil !
what i would say is this, Were there any sign’s before she had the latest child ? Are we going to find out this is another case of the social services not doing their job ? Are we going to hear the same old “lessons will be learned” speech ? but what ever the reason there is just one simple question, would you ever let someone look after your children if you knew they done something like that even if it was 10,20 0r even 30 years ago because i wouldn’t and if someone told me they only done it becuase they were depressed would not make me feel any better. sorry she has to be locked up if guilty.So, you can understand someone – fully in possession of their sanity but unable to control their temper – shaking a baby ( which often results in death or don’t you read the news?) or throwing a baby into a cot resulting in injury (with – again – death as a frequent outcome) but be incapable of comprehending why someone who is SERIOUSLY MENTALLY ILL may be compelled to kill the ones they love?
Hmm..
And once again for the stupid. Post Natal Depression is something of a misnomer, as it covers the gamut from mild depression to severe psychosis. Insanity, lunacy, Barking fecking madness, call it what you will, but depression doesn’t even get a look in.
Howsoever, I realise i’m wasting my time and type attempting to enlighten the ill-informed intent on pouring opprobrium and worse, like paraffin on a bonfire, thrown onto which, only the tarred and feathered body of the mother will provide sufficient sacrifice.
@esmeralda wrote:
@sharongooner wrote:
Im just saying that to kill not one but attempt to kill three is murder.
I don’t understand why quantity should alter the perception of this being the tragic act of an insane and desperate woman, to that of a murderess. If anything, it points even more assuredly to the unimaginably distorted and deluded state of the woman’s mind.
Is it so difficult to grasp the concept of insanity? In this – of all places?
My thoughts are that after the first act, something, I dont know what but something would be triggered in her to stop her. It just seems so methodical and pre-meditated. I cant grasp the concept of insanity in this case until I know more of the facts, Im going on the feelings in my head as a mother of another mother driven to kill not one but attempt to kill three children, one by one in such an horrific mannor.
And yes your right there is plenty of “insania” around here, but thankfully we are all locked away behind our screens and in a sense protected.
And its not really a worthy comparison.
Anyway people, surely we can just air our thoughts without yet another thread descending into personal attacks on users intelligence.
We are all entitled to opinions, no matter how intelligent they are typed. 8)
Now, I agree with you to a certain point but servere psychosis doesn’t happen over night Esme, her children wouldn’t of seemed happy, they would of be desprately unhappy.
I have had post natal depression and it does affect the children, mine was only a mild case as it seems but I was horridly unhappy, surely someone would of seen that she was unhappy, there would of been steps made by her friends and family.
I don’t like how you assume that we are all uneducated in matters of the heart, we obviously know there is a mental problem, nobody in a normal state of mind would do this, all murderers are not well mentally.
At the end of the day, she is a murderer regardless of circumstance.
Life would of been hell for everyone close to her.
another example of the really dangerous people
and as for the mother
who knows what madness lays within
certainly no one here@*Sian wrote:
Now, I agree with you to a certain point but servere psychosis doesn’t happen over night Esme, her children wouldn’t of seemed happy, they would of be desprately unhappy.
I have had post natal depression and it does affect the children, mine was only a mild case as it seems but I was horridly unhappy, surely someone would of seen that she was unhappy, there would of been steps made by her friends and family.
I don’t like how you assume that we are all uneducated in matters of the heart, we obviously know there is a mental problem, nobody in a normal state of mind would do this, all murderers are not well mentally.
At the end of the day, she is a murderer regardless of circumstance.
Life would of been hell for everyone close to her.
Actually, not only can psychotic episodes manifest suddenly, Sian, but in the tragic case under discussion, the woman was previously known to be suffering from PND. A neighbour commented on that very fact.
What I can’t grasp is your reasoning that the woman is mentally ill, whilst continuing to brand her as a murderer.
To quote good ole wikipedia, “Murder is the unlawful killing of a human person with malice aforethought.” As a person suffering from psychosis, having no contact with reality, it is improbable that the mother of these children was capable of malice aforethought. In her distorted reality, she may even have been saving her children from a worse fate – living in a world peopled by the demons and monsters of her imaginings.
@esmeralda wrote:
@*Sian wrote:
Now, I agree with you to a certain point but servere psychosis doesn’t happen over night Esme, her children wouldn’t of seemed happy, they would of be desprately unhappy.
I have had post natal depression and it does affect the children, mine was only a mild case as it seems but I was horridly unhappy, surely someone would of seen that she was unhappy, there would of been steps made by her friends and family.
I don’t like how you assume that we are all uneducated in matters of the heart, we obviously know there is a mental problem, nobody in a normal state of mind would do this, all murderers are not well mentally.
At the end of the day, she is a murderer regardless of circumstance.
Life would of been hell for everyone close to her.
Actually, not only can psychotic episodes manifest suddenly, Sian, but in the tragic case under discussion, the woman was previously known to be suffering from PND. A neighbour commented on that very fact.
What I can’t grasp is your reasoning that the woman is mentally ill, whilst continuing to brand her as a murderer.
To quote good ole wikipedia, “Murder is the unlawful killing of a human person with malice aforethought.” As a person suffering from psychosis, having no contact with reality, it is improbable that the mother of these children was capable of malice aforethought. In her distorted reality, she may even have been saving her children from a worse fate – living in a world peopled by the demons and monsters of her imaginings.
Don’t all murderers live in a world of that kind? You fail to understand what I am on with here, all murderers are dellusional and mentally ill, do we have to forgive those also? Some people see paedophilia as a sexuality but do we forgive them for abusing innocent children?
The woman said she always looked glum, it must of been a very unhappy household.my thoughts are not with why this woman did this and if shes a murderer or not… that is clear to me….
I wonder why society have failed them all so badly??
Why did the GP, the health visitors, the midwife, the children’s nursery school staff, neighbours etc etc etc not notify social services that the children were at risk??? If she was as gloomy and as ill as said to be then they all had good reason to.
Children are regularly put onto the at risk register and are observed for less reason than was presenting in this case.
It’s once again a case of people burying their heads in the sand and thinking… “not in my backyard”.
Firstly – Melody – I agree with you about the failings of those around this woman, in not realising the severity of her illness and acting upon it. Although to be fair, outwardly, she would hardly have been foaming at the mouth like a rabid dog, she may have simply appeared quiet and withdrawn.
Sian – no – not all murderers are ‘delusional and mentally ill’ which is why a murderer is someone who is legally defined as a person of SOUND MIND, who deliberately takes the life of another human being, with malice aforethought. In other words, at the time of commiting the murder, the perpetrator was deemed completely in possession of their mental faculties and aware of their own actions. Anger or momentary rage – do not count as loss of mental faculty.
This is in complete contrast to a person who takes life whilst deemed clinically insane and with a total loss of contact with reality, as would appear to be the situation in this instance, where the woman has indeed been detained under THE MENTAL HEALTH ACT.And what a poor tormented soul she must be.Sometimes, tragic things happen, where recourse to vengeance or punishment is futile. This is one of those times.
well everyone got intrestin insights into this case as usual…
firstly noones knows the full details as its all hearsay etc…
yes this woman needs help etc, BUT what she did wither under delunsions etc or not she has taken 2 innocent lifes, then her 3rd baby hangin in a balance, then her husband and family and distroyed them all, yes she needs help but she can’t be excused for her actions, and has to pay for that….
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