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20 October, 2018 at 1:37 pm #1108226
”The press and media here and in the USA like to choose represenative individuals to make their point.”
Hahahahahaha
20 October, 2018 at 8:21 pm #1108245No, I haven’t. I’m sure some bizarre things.
Portland is under occupation by Antifa, violence and property damage, and road blocks happens every day.
The police protect them, there are many videos of this online.
Just googled this, and haven’t found anything about any sort of blockade of a city. that would be pretty serious, and enough to make world headlines.
I have read about violence between antifa (antifascists) and the patriot Boys (conservative nationalists). Both groups support violence against one another. From the reports I’ve seen, you can’t single out one group from the other as being the cause of violence. they’re both up for it.
Violence is unacceptable, but in London there is violence between the supporters of Tommy Robinson and the cops most weeks. The anti-fascists are there as well, but my limited knowledge they’re (usually) smaller groups and the violence is with the cops.
I welcome the #metoo movement in its defence of women against sexual harassment, but it does and says things which are indefensible and dangerous to justice.
I completely disagree with everything about it.
Innocent until proven guilty must be the core pricipal of any legal system.
Evidence must be provided.
I think sexual harassment at work is a major problem, mainly for young women. #Metoo helps provide the emotional support which enables them to protect themselves, and to report on offences which were previously seen as normal if distasteful behaviour.
But I fully agree with you on #metoo going too far. As you say, innocent until proven guilty is a cardinal feature of due process. The Kavanagh case is one in point. I think Kavanagh seems to be a bit suspicious, and lachrymose, and manipulative, but that doesn’t disqualify him. His judicial stance on abortion, same-sex marriage etc, is a cause to oppose him, but the sexual harassment allegations just cannot be proven. The #metoo group’s demand that the women are right merely because they claim harassment is way over the line.
The Woody Allen case led me to an awareness of this. I always liked Woody Allen’s humour, and the accusations against hi 25 odd years ago disturbed me. That they arisen again without any new evidence, and have been taken so seriously that Allen is now in danger of losing film contracts and actors refusing to work with him on the basis of dubious allegations from the Mia farrow clique is a result of first-order bullying from #metoo, who havfe pressured stars into dissociating themselves from Allen.
That doesn’t mean Allen is innocent. far from it. The fact that allegations havebeen mad by his stepdaughter is enough to lead to doubt. But that’s all it is – doubt. The allegations are strongly disputed, and legally they’ve been set aside. One appeal judge questioned this dismissal and place an order on Allen, but that was withdrawn and the judge removed form the case.
It’s a really complicated case of accusation and counter-accusation. You can’t decide that on the basis that if the woman says it, she’s right.
20 October, 2018 at 8:30 pm #1108247Scep unlike u..when I was 18..I was given opportunity through the voting election process. I decided then..kept it ALL THESE YEARS NEVER EVER changing .. basically simple.. sides or a party.
So as an INDEPENDENT all my life I decide..no party do I care about with my last dying breath.. My freedom to decide.No influence..My voice..my wishes..my needs too.. If a person can help my lifestyle be better dam right like his manners or not..I made choice..
That’s ok, Linda.
I’m independent, too. I was a member of the Labour party in 1967-70, but for many decades have steered away from membership of any party, despite a lot of pressure at one point.
But where many don’t like Trump’s behaviour, it doesn’t (usually) bother me; his politics freaks me
I am amused at Trump’s behaviour, but I’m amused by Jacob Rees-Mogg here i the UK. it’s because they are both as camp as they come. Both totally hold me transfixed by their camp antics and mannerisms. It’s really interesting.
I don’t like their politics, though. Trump is America First – almost all Americans are America firts, but Trump belongs to a particular nationalist ideology which has its roots back in the 30s, and has been continuous ever since. Someone told me that his father went to America First rallies in 1940 against joining the war, but peral harbour only shifted the focus of the movement. Pearl Harbour didn’t destroy the movement. America First isn’t Republican, and it isn’t Democrat. It’s a political faith, an ideology, very right-wing, very aggressive.
Rees-Mogg is a funny kind of English nationalist, very akin to Enoch powell’s nationalism.
Their camp mannerisms amuse me, their politics frightens me.
20 October, 2018 at 8:35 pm #1108249I think sexual harassment at work is a major problem, mainly for young women. #Metoo helps provide the emotional support which enables them to protect themselves, and to report on offences which were previously seen as normal if distasteful behaviour.
How does it provide support or protection?
20 October, 2018 at 8:36 pm #1108250Rees-Mogg is a funny kind of English nationalist, very akin to Enoch powell’s nationalism.
I dont see any similarity between Mogg and Powell.
20 October, 2018 at 11:17 pm #1108256I think sexual harassment at work is a major problem, mainly for young women. #Metoo helps provide the emotional support which enables them to protect themselves, and to report on offences which were previously seen as normal if distasteful behaviour.
How does it provide support or protection?
They’ve helped to create an atmosphere where sexual harassment at work is no longer acceptable, and where reporting of such harassment is no longer felt to be damaging to a woman’s career. The Harvey Weinstein affair has really transformed the film industry, for example, which was once notorious for sexual abuse of would-be stars. I have the statistics in my paper.
20 October, 2018 at 11:19 pm #1108257Rees-Mogg is a funny kind of English nationalist, very akin to Enoch powell’s nationalism.
I dont see any similarity between Mogg and Powell.
You don’t disagree that Rees-Mogg is camp, I notice
Rees-Mogg is deeply indebted to Powell’s elaboration of Conservatism and the market in the mid 1960s. I’m not talking about Powell’s race speech of 1968 (though that’s not irrelevant).
21 October, 2018 at 1:01 pm #1108264They’ve helped to create an atmosphere where sexual harassment at work is no longer acceptable
It hasn’t been for decades.
I have the statistics in my paper.
Then go ahead and present them.
You don’t disagree that Rees-Mogg is camp, I notice
I disagree with Mogg on may things, but he seems to be the best politician with any chance of gaining any significan power in the near future.
22 October, 2018 at 9:21 pm #1108353They’ve helped to create an atmosphere where sexual harassment at work is no longer acceptable
It hasn’t been for decades.
Yes it has. look at the news. Look at the House of Commons only today.
I disagree with Mogg on may things, but he seems to be the best politician with any chance of gaining any significan power in the near future.
I would be surprised, but I’ve been surprised before.
But so what?
22 October, 2018 at 9:42 pm #1108359But so what?
You said that I don’t disagree with the ‘Mogg camp’, but I disagree with Mogg on nearly every issue that I know his position on.
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