True Alpha, Alpha Wannabe or Bully?

rudeboy wrote:

The Divine Love wrote:

To pick up on earlier points, Scep is definitely wrong in his fixation with Alpha males being of a violent disposition. Yes of course some Alpha males are violent, equally so, non Alpha or Beta males are violent, more so infact. Alpha males do not have a monopoly on violence, far from it. So, back to basics, I’d like to pick up on something no-one has mentioned yet, which is fundamental in understanding an Alpha male. Sex. When we look at other primates, we see how the Alpha male is generally the only one getting it, or, if not the only one, he’s getting plenty of it. It’s not possible to be an Alpha male and not be consistently “getting plenty of it” So an important association with an Alpha male is he is “getting plenty of it”. This in itself implies he’s more calmer and less aggressive, than those that aren’t “getting it”. As the Alpha male is “getting plenty”, he is therefore of a naturally calmer disposition, than the Beta male who isn’t “getting it” or “getting enough” of it. Thus, the Beta male is, or can be (sexually) “frustrated” compared to the Alpha male and therefore a lot more prone to violence. Many studies will confirm this. Furthermore, Beta males heavily outnumber Alpha males, so again there’s the maths to show how Beta males are more violent than Alpha males. In Swedish prisons they insist men have visits from partners, and / or prostitutes, to make sure they get “enough” of it for the calming and less aggressive effect sex has on them. Testosterone and all that. To recognise who is an Alpha male today is impossible if you dont know whether the individual is “getting plenty of it” or is even sexually frustrated. Alpha males generally speaking, do not go without sex and become sexually frustrated. To say Hitler or Churchill were Alpha males is not possible without having good insight into their sex lives. To conclude, my point, real Alpha males are too busy getting laid to be “pushing a spear in your mouth until it came out of the back of your head,” that’ll be the Beta male that is more likely doing that due to his sexual frustrations and pent up aggression and anger.

Alpha male status has nothing to do with sex you sick puppy… once again you’re projecting your own state of mind upon others. Some people have naturally lower/higher libidos than others contrary to twisted freaks like you blowing xs after every paragraph generally addressing people in a sleazy manner having nothing to do with “alpha male” status if such a thing even exists. It’s just daft people like you attempting to pigeon hole individuals based on your own values which says more about you than the people you are attempting to label.

I’d put this differently but er, yes.

I am developing a soft spot for this guy’s style,mind you, at least it’s entertaining to read. Sorry, I’m sure I’ll regret saying that when he turns his sense of humour on me.

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rudeboy

rudeboy wrote:

Alpha male status has nothing to do with sex

Hey Chubby x Are you serious? If you are serious then you disappoint me. For a quasi-intellectual that you appear, even you should know the basic principles of Evolution and natural selection, especially as you don’t strike me much as a man of religion. What you are proposing is actually anti Evolutionary biology and natural selection. Dont be so stupid.

rudeboy wrote:

Alpha male status has nothing to do with sex

That was the only point you picked out of many I raised. Does that mean you agreed with all the other points only not this one? Of course Alpha male status has plenty to do with sex.

Please note I made it very clear in my post,. “When we look at other primates”  I would like to assume that you know what a primate is, and as human beings, we too are primates. Furthermore, I assume you know that all primates will have the same basic behaviour patterns, as do canines and felines. A dog is not a fox or a wolf, but they are all canines. A domesticated cat is not a cheetah or a tiger, but they are all felines. So my terminology of primates naturally covers monkeys, apes and human beings.

I would like to recommend a couple of videos that will explain it for you, as I can’t be writing a 10,000 word essay for you. The idea being you will learn about primates, and the importance of sex and reproduction to the alpha male primate, and female for that matter. And why not have a look at wikipedias definition of an Alpha, and please look out for how sex and reproduction is so fundamentally related and intertwined.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_(ethology)

From a previous post written by Sophia, a woman: ” Women almost always look for Alpha guys for fun and, also, for long-term relationships and even marriage. A bully although he may succeed for a while will in the end show his true colours and that gorgeous woman who fell for him initially will dump him and goes off to find a genuine Alpha Male.”

I wonder what she means by “fun”.

Have a nice day x

when I had a vasectomy I actually jogged home how alphais that?

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sceptical guy wrote:

I don’t see anything on this thread to get rid of the original idea of the alpha male put forward by the former Nazi, Konrad Lorenz.

I don’t see anything on this thread which would remotely suggest why we should be trying to get rid of the original idea put forward by Konrad Lorenz.

Admittedly, I know little of this man and his ideas, I have had a quick wiki to see who he is. It’s just one idea of one man, why do you want to get rid of his idea ? and you’re calling him a nazi ? If YOU refute his idea that’s fine, but maybe the billions of others of us would like to hear the idea, especially if it’s a good idea, we have freedom of choice whether we choose to agree with it or not.

Konrad Zacharias Lorenz (7 November 1903 – 27 February 1989) was an Austrian zoologist, ethologist, and ornithologist. He shared the 1973 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine with Nikolaas Tinbergen and Karl von Frisch. He is often regarded as one of the founders of modern ethology, developing an approach that began with an earlier generation, including his teacher Oskar Heinroth. Lorenz’s work was interrupted by the onset of World War II and in 1941 he was recruited into the German army as a medic. In 1944 he was sent to the Eastern Front where he was captured and spent four years as a Soviet prisoner of war. After the war he regretted his membership in the Nazi party.

Labelling him a nazi seems a bit harsh in my opinion. He was a medic. He seems at first hand to me to be a reputable scientist who has won the Nobel Prize in Physiology and medicine, and would naturally have some ideas.

Do please explain what his so apparently abhorrent and unacceptable idea was that you seem to insist we get rid of, and whilst you’re at it, how about you proffer us with your replacement “better” alternative idea. We can then maybe have a group discussion and see whether said idea of Mr Lorenz should be gotten rid of, and maybe even replace it with your better idea. Please make this good as you’re up against a Nobel Prize winner here .

• This reply was modified 7 years, 9 months ago by  The Divine Love.

ive not got a lot to say on this thread,ppl like alfie moose, and others are way above my league in intelligence

but what i am saying is me and rude boy are bezzies,we are heywood lads

also me and milks are also friends and we are going to get tanked on st patricks day  in blackpool

my mate ruby red might appear as well

born and tracy have ducked out

thats all ive got to say really

anyway sorry for piggybacking the thread

do carry on.

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