Time for a Cull?

Bring back hunting

@(f)politics? wrote:

@pete wrote:

And country people lie through their teeth about hunting, it does absolutely nothing they claim it does and the fox is made out to be some rampaging beast that could take down a cow if it wanted, A fox CANNOT take down a COW impossible and im not aware anyone has ever claimed this whereas it’d come off second best to most domestic cats. We have NO right to kill anything, but a better fence round the chickens, foxes will and do dig under fencing it aint difficult, though amazingly these murderous beasts don’t kill all the free range chickens we see in shops ? no fox could kill every chicken ever free ranging you would need a million foxes have you ever seen a free range chicken farm and how many chicken are roaming around ? Either they aren’t that bloodthirsty or the chickens are stuck in batteries and just labelled free range.
There’s another example of man’s compassion, battery hens,dont believe in this either but then i live in a city i guess i don’t understand, it’s just a hen. Birds of prey take pheasants,birds of prey indigenous to the UK cannoy catch pheasants the only birds of prey to do this are the larger hawks trained to do so by falconers gotta kill the birds of prey cause we need to shoot the pheasants.
Elephants eat crops, let’s shoot em and get some nice ornaments into the bargain. We are man watch us kill and make excuses that it’s necessary. Utter bollocks, we do NOT need to hunt foxes.

And as i have already quoted fox hunting doesnt cull foxes it maintains them,but ultimately deals with the “trouble makers” a farmer will report a trouble maker to a hunt the hunt will take it out and it is proven that these ones tend to be mangy, old or ill, that is a fact, and most importantly hunting keeps their natural wariness of human beings that is being crossed now we are taming them (or trying to). i like foxes and was willing to accept that hunting them was over, the trouble is they are getting to sure to uncautious more disease ridden (no good for the fox population, domestics or people) and i for one would rather see any animal that is ill taken out quickly rather than a prolonged painful death anyway, so why would anyone that loves these creatures want them to suffer more than they need to? and ok hunts are not going to rid all of the ill and diseased and old but they make an impact on that part of it, it keeps the population in general healthier and more wary. All good let them be wild. Oh and i did state that most healthy foxes will keep small mammals and the likes down thats one reason farmers like foxes as well as hate the trouble making ones.

Bigger problems with the human race Poli – parents diseased with drink and drunks and harming their children. Why don’t you hunt nuts shout so loudly about that rather that defending what you feel is your right to slaughter wildlife that is just trying to do as nature intended?

Severely misplaced priorites, you hunt nuts.

@panda12 wrote:

@(f)politics? wrote:

@pete wrote:

And country people lie through their teeth about hunting, it does absolutely nothing they claim it does and the fox is made out to be some rampaging beast that could take down a cow if it wanted, A fox CANNOT take down a COW impossible and im not aware anyone has ever claimed this whereas it’d come off second best to most domestic cats. We have NO right to kill anything, but a better fence round the chickens, foxes will and do dig under fencing it aint difficult, though amazingly these murderous beasts don’t kill all the free range chickens we see in shops ? no fox could kill every chicken ever free ranging you would need a million foxes have you ever seen a free range chicken farm and how many chicken are roaming around ? Either they aren’t that bloodthirsty or the chickens are stuck in batteries and just labelled free range.
There’s another example of man’s compassion, battery hens,dont believe in this either but then i live in a city i guess i don’t understand, it’s just a hen. Birds of prey take pheasants,birds of prey indigenous to the UK cannoy catch pheasants the only birds of prey to do this are the larger hawks trained to do so by falconers gotta kill the birds of prey cause we need to shoot the pheasants.
Elephants eat crops, let’s shoot em and get some nice ornaments into the bargain. We are man watch us kill and make excuses that it’s necessary. Utter bollocks, we do NOT need to hunt foxes.

And as i have already quoted fox hunting doesnt cull foxes it maintains them,but ultimately deals with the “trouble makers” a farmer will report a trouble maker to a hunt the hunt will take it out and it is proven that these ones tend to be mangy, old or ill, that is a fact, and most importantly hunting keeps their natural wariness of human beings that is being crossed now we are taming them (or trying to). i like foxes and was willing to accept that hunting them was over, the trouble is they are getting to sure to uncautious more disease ridden (no good for the fox population, domestics or people) and i for one would rather see any animal that is ill taken out quickly rather than a prolonged painful death anyway, so why would anyone that loves these creatures want them to suffer more than they need to? and ok hunts are not going to rid all of the ill and diseased and old but they make an impact on that part of it, it keeps the population in general healthier and more wary. All good let them be wild. Oh and i did state that most healthy foxes will keep small mammals and the likes down thats one reason farmers like foxes as well as hate the trouble making ones.

Bigger problems with the human race Poli – parents diseased with drink and drunks and harming their children. Why don’t you hunt nuts shout so loudly about that rather that defending what you feel is your right to slaughter wildlife that is just trying to do as nature intended?

Severely misplaced priorites, you hunt nuts.

what a ridiculous statement to make like u assume all hunt nuts dont do anything for all the things u describe above :roll: how do you know how loudly they shout or what charitable things said hunt nuts do for kids charities etc ? u dont !

@panda12 wrote:

@(f)politics? wrote:

@panda12 wrote:

@(f)politics? wrote:

@pete wrote:

And country people lie through their teeth about hunting, it does absolutely nothing they claim it does and the fox is made out to be some rampaging beast that could take down a cow if it wanted, A fox CANNOT take down a COW impossible and im not aware anyone has ever claimed this whereas it’d come off second best to most domestic cats. We have NO right to kill anything, but a better fence round the chickens, foxes will and do dig under fencing it aint difficult, though amazingly these murderous beasts don’t kill all the free range chickens we see in shops ? no fox could kill every chicken ever free ranging you would need a million foxes have you ever seen a free range chicken farm and how many chicken are roaming around ? Either they aren’t that bloodthirsty or the chickens are stuck in batteries and just labelled free range.
There’s another example of man’s compassion, battery hens,dont believe in this either but then i live in a city i guess i don’t understand, it’s just a hen. Birds of prey take pheasants,birds of prey indigenous to the UK cannoy catch pheasants the only birds of prey to do this are the larger hawks trained to do so by falconers gotta kill the birds of prey cause we need to shoot the pheasants.
Elephants eat crops, let’s shoot em and get some nice ornaments into the bargain. We are man watch us kill and make excuses that it’s necessary. Utter bollocks, we do NOT need to hunt foxes.

And as i have already quoted fox hunting doesnt cull foxes it maintains them,but ultimately deals with the “trouble makers” a farmer will report a trouble maker to a hunt the hunt will take it out and it is proven that these ones tend to be mangy, old or ill, that is a fact, and most importantly hunting keeps their natural wariness of human beings that is being crossed now we are taming them (or trying to). i like foxes and was willing to accept that hunting them was over, the trouble is they are getting to sure to uncautious more disease ridden (no good for the fox population, domestics or people) and i for one would rather see any animal that is ill taken out quickly rather than a prolonged painful death anyway, so why would anyone that loves these creatures want them to suffer more than they need to? and ok hunts are not going to rid all of the ill and diseased and old but they make an impact on that part of it, it keeps the population in general healthier and more wary. All good let them be wild. Oh and i did state that most healthy foxes will keep small mammals and the likes down thats one reason farmers like foxes as well as hate the trouble making ones.

Bigger problems with the human race Poli – parents diseased with drink and drunks and harming their children. Why don’t you hunt nuts shout so loudly about that rather that defending what you feel is your right to slaughter wildlife that is just trying to do as nature intended?

Severely misplaced priorites, you hunt nuts.

what a ridiculous statement to make like u assume all hunt nuts dont do anything for all the things u describe above :roll: how do you know how loudly they shout or what charitable things said hunt nuts do for kids charities etc ? u dont !

The only things hunt nuts shout about is their “perceived” right to chase an animal to exhaustion and revel in its death, taking its body parts as trophies for their walls.

Not only that they get their kids involved – brainwash them from birth and then happily smear the dead animal’s blood all over them!
Though i understand you passion and stance i dont feel there is a need to make statements you know nothing about .. brainwashing ?? so showing or introducing your children to something is brainwashing ?? and as for “blooding” i wont say it “doesnt” happen in a few cases but its rarely been done for many decades if ever, you are dramatising and talking nonsense for effect
Hunt nuts campaigning and fund raising for the Tories to win in rural areas so the hunting ban can be overturned!
i Didn’t vote tory
Voting Tory solely for the purpose of allowing them to once again to enjoy chasing an animal to exhaustion and watch it being ripped to death or dug from the ground and thrown to the dogs.
Tory has never been a big player in this part of the country where hunting does play a big part
That’s what hunt nuts shout about and then lie to try and justify their lust for blood – to hide the fact that civilisation has not reached them and that they remain brutal savages desperate for blood and gore and to cause as much suffering as possible to the quarry for their thrills.
What lies ?
The “sport” you so vociferously defend not only causes the death of the fox / deer / mink etc – on top of that, there are the hounds that are shot dead by the very “people” they trust when they get too old or aren’t up to the chase.
Then of course there are the horses that suffer serious injury and death because the hunt nut wants to jump that big fence / gate with no thought for the welfare of the horse.
Horses have been ridden in competition for many many years show jumping cross country etc and far more injuries occur than does in hunting, injuries can occur to sportsmen and women when they run, exactly the same way, most riders know their mounts and know their capabilities and even if you do want to put a hard faced approach to it the last thing anyone wants is to have their mount shot through injury, not only do horses cost money to buy and keep the emotional bond “most” have with them and the obvious fear of injury to themselves so again a dramatic reply thats holds absolutely no truth in the majority
It’s not a “sport” it’s a festival of suffering for all the animals involved for selfish “human” entertainment.

If the fox population needs controlling let it be done humanely, respectively and quietly without the sick, gloating pageantry of the hunt. Suitable rifles with professional marksman will do the job and well.
i agree to an extent with this except for the fact that the professional marksman can still injure rather than kill and cause more suffering, also this method doesnt concentrate on the problem areas but is random killing both young and fit animals as opposed to the old and infirm that generally are the only ones that fall prey during a hunt
Same for the deer population – marksmen with powerful rifles control the population in areas unsuitable for hunts so they can take over the role of the stag hunts.
i am personally not keen on stag hunting either, but understand they need controlling somehow too, but would be personally happier with a different method that is as effective at getting the right animals and not just to go out randomly shooting any.

Hunters argue that hunting is ineffective anyway with the fox getting away 70% of the time. So they defeat their own argument!
Correct they do get away a high percentage of the time but that is usually the young fit and healthy animals that cause less problems to people anyway in the rural areas, but the 30% it does suceed is atleast the as said b4 old or infirm that cause us most problems and is also beneficial to the fox as helps prevent spread of disease among them
But of course, the fox getting away is not good enough – no blood involved so if the fox goes to ground the terrier men digs the animal out and throws it to the hounds so the bloodlust is satisfied.
Couldnt agree with you more i totally disagree with flushing or digging them out

And Poli – get yourself a stronger chicken coup – after all, you secure your house from human intruders so secure your chicken house from foxes. After all the foxes are just doing what you need to do yourself everyday – eat.

The fox dug under the coop run and managed to break the door slider, they are now in a cob building at night but there is no guarantee they wont be taken during the day when outside but unless they are locked up 24/7 which is cruel not alot else can do, and i understand they need to eat and food is in abundance in the fields and ok it took 1 chicken to eat, but its the massacre they cause in taking just 1 chicken i hate. But hey its only a chicken eh :roll:

@pete wrote:

The fox would have come back for the other chickens it killed. Fox proof enclosures, if it costs more pass the price on. I don’t see we have the right to kill anything unless it directly threatens our life.

So why didnt it pete ?? they werent freshly dead he/ she obv had all night besides its irrelevant,, and pass the cost on to who ? lol they are in a shed now anyway doesnt make the suffering of the injured any nicer though one had his arse end half ripped off all night and suffered like that until the morning and we were able to put an end to its suffering, im not doubting they need to eat, but i still dont like how they do what they do mink are the same but more evil they kill for killings sake even more evil critters them