Them Migrants!!

I read about that, Trapper.

20,000 is nothing – they’re expecting a million refugees this year from a Syria whihc no longer exists.

It was an attempt to deflect the criticism over Britain’s shameless attitude to what Cameron called the swarm of refugees heading for the UK (to sink the island?).

I read that the pictures of a drowned 3 year-old child was the symbol whihc made some people a bit ashamed. That’s as it should be – nobody who is a parent should divide children into our children (to be protected) and other children (who gives a toss what happens to them)?
Kids are kids – to be protected.

The EU is in a total mess on this, most of the countries either overwhelmed (like Greece and Italy) or blame-shifting (Hungary is one country which uses Britain as a reason for their cruelty).

Who knows how this is going to pan out?

arc,

the terrorist scare is just that – a scare. Terrorists have no need to hide themselves in a crowd of refugees – there are enough recruits in Europe anyway without having to smuggle yourself in as part of a crowd which would be checked and carefully regulated if the EU could get a proper policy of refugee centres worked out. As it is, terrorist policy is a bit more scary and uncontrollable than that. Al quaeda were infiltrated by the cops of various countries so that their plots to bomb us were stopped at every turn. ISIS has a strategy of advising anyone who contacts them to just kill someone nearby – the cops can’t control that.

I have no idea how many of these refugees are just men, or how many families; neither do you or Trapper – looking at tv pictures from the comfort of your home isn’t any sort of judgement. Men are allowed to be refugees as well. Most of them had money, which they’ve used to escape a country which has now fallen apart and in effect no longer exists (Russia’s throwing its military weight around now in Syria, committing military hardware to back Assad and fight ISIS, openly saying that Syria is no longer a country). The poorer people are left behind, without a chance of getting out. If they could, they would.

If any refugees are economic migrants, this can be sorted in a properly worked-out policy, and the EU (and Britain IS a member of the EU) had better get its act together – Germany is the hero here, ready to accept refugees with welcoming arms. But they can’t do it on their own, and have been overwhelmed as a result of the selfishness of the other EU countries (except Sweden). An EU policy is needed, and the UK should take a leading role in that policy.

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Terrorists….

What doesn’t sit right with me is that as a country, people have no problems with the Irish as a whole – born out of the fear the Irish Republican Army caused way back… Maybe it’s easier for some to forget the car bombs etc that were placed by them….terrorists!

Nope… I refuse to hold a whole country/faith/culture responsible and fear them because a small percentage behave the way they do!

Good for you, sweet heart.

It is just that – fear. And fear has never actually stopped them. ISIS in particular works on fear – they set out deliberately to scare people so that they appear, well terrifying. They say so explicitly.

A more mature attitude is needed, rather than the scare tactics employed by some these boards – look at the picture of a baby bomber posted on one thread.

Whether the fear caused by ISIS or the fear caused by the scaremongers is involved, what fear does do is to prevent us thinking things out. That is the way for terrorists to win, of course.

that’s a bizarre post, Trapper. Turn the desert to glass??? There are ways of defeating ISIS but that’s a different story. This war has a way to go yet.

The thinking out strategy means that one country can’t handle this crisis. You can’t leave it to Germany. And you can’t hope it’s going to go away – it’s going to get worse before it gets better. They will keep coming, even at the risk of death for their families, because that’s what people do (I’ve spoken to German refugees from the Red Army advance of 1945). Throw themk back, they keep coming.

We actually caused this crisis to a significant extent, not Germany – we should be taking a much more significant lead within the EU for a European response.

Or don’t you believe in a Europe-wide response? I can’t see any alternative to the immediate crisis.

so that does involve an international response, because so far mos of those responses have been bombing and stirring.

The problem is that the whole region is blowing apart – and not just because of ISIS. Lebanaon is next to Syria, but is moving into civil war. Israel is next door – haha try that on. Then there’s Iraq, but the British-US invasion of Iraq has meant perpetual war and eventually that ISIS is very powerful there There’s Turkey, but the Turks are busy fighting the Kurds in Turkey and Iraq, and is fighting ISIS as a pastime just to keep onside with the US. ISIS is powerful in the region, not just a country, and they’re not going to be defeated quickly because they are so wealthy. They have the support of powerful US/UK allies, believe it or not.

People are heading for Germany as they receive a humane reception there. Unless a human reception can be given nearer Syria, which it can’t, then they’ll keep coming.

So a European response is needed. They are here, and won’t go back to a warzone, even if pushed back

And Britain needs to shift its way of thinking and work with the EU instead of against it. The sort of fear you see in some of these boards is the problem in the way of a solution to the immediate crisis.

I can’t see any other way which is effective (your response of setting yup camps near Syria really won’t work.