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Who said “drown em ” !!!!!!
This country IS falling apart scep ….. On paper they might not be but the reality of it is completely different.
The NHS is on it’s bliddy knees & patients are suffering because our stupid ill informed government thinks we don’t work enough hours & get paid too much.
Fact they wanted all NHS hospital to have Foundation Trust status …. the beginning of the end.Crime is through the roof because there is not enough coppers on the beat because of government cut backs.
The prisons cant cope with the amount of scum bags out there so they get let off with pathetic sentences.
The average time in side is 10 years for murder ….. full board & lodging paid for by the tax payers . Hell they live better than most of us mere mortals.We have a huge increase in the amount of elderly due to people living longer & that have paid into the system all their working life. They get treated appallingly. Some have to choose between eating & heating in the winter months
Kids are living in poverty here & no one gives a shyte least of all our government.
Meanwhile the government get huge pay checks & bonus’s
As for your comment about HMS Sheffield …. I was personally affected by that war.
One British ship in the med ? Well why is it only down to the UK what about the rest of bliddy Europe where are they in this plight for help?
War is a sad fact of life throughout the world but it doesn’t make it the UK’s responsibility.
They flee here because it’s an easy life if they are successful.
It is awful that kids perished fleeing their country … but the UK is not the dumping ground for all the worlds refugees.
I’m all for helping people out but my point is charity begins at home!
Cant see how we prevent the loss of life we cant exactly stroll into the affected countries and offer them transport. Where’s the nearest easiest to reach “friendly” country. Can’t we pool resources and set up some kind of relief there and assess from that point
@trapper wrote:
Cant see how we prevent the loss of life we cant exactly stroll into the affected countries and offer them transport. Where’s the nearest easiest to reach “friendly” country. Can’t we pool resources and set up some kind of relief there and assess from that point
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A rational effort is what’s needed, Trapper, and at the moment it’s not taking place; only Germany offers the most humane hand, and Germany is not a bad place for refugees to end up. But the strains are beginning to tell even there. An EU-wide policy, rather than evasion of responsibility, is what is needed. Or rather, the policy is there, but it needs to be lived up to, and Britain needs to finally sign up with everybody else.
One British ship means that Britain, with the strongest navy in the EU, is contributing the smallest amount of prevention against the human traffickers. Trafficking is a very real problem, though, as we can see wiht the number of dead families in lorries in Austria in the last couple of days.
It’s an immediate crisis of refugees, caused by the wars blazing across the Middle East.
We bombed them, helped create the conditions for wars which have now gone out of control, and we pull our drawbridge up.
Time to get stuck into the EU and work with Germany to shake up the response to the refugee problem. Britain can sort its problems out – they are political as much as anything, as arc infers. But this is an immediate crisis.
If any hungy, desperate, frightened family turned up at my door, I’d feed them and take them to the hospital, I wouldn’t be waiting to see if they had a cheque book. If a huge number of such families turn up at our door (Greece and Italy are the first ports of call), the I say work wiht the EU together to meet a crisis that we (the Brits) are partly responsible for.
Is this resettlement permanent how do we solve getting these people back to their homeland
What gets me is the callous, inhumane attitude towards a genuine plight, caused to a large extent by our own governments in their policy of plunder and war. We can bomb the hell out of them, totally disrupt their countries with a knock-on effect throughout the region, and then talk about the people who flee in terms of swarms of insects.
I have seen people in JC try to whip up the fears that people have,and even talk carelessly of a mass gassing of people in the Channel Tunnel. The UK government provides the most minimal support to deal with the human traffickers who transport refugees across the Mediterranean.
The photographs in the post which opened this thread were posted to show that these are people, who have left their homes because it’s become impossible to live there. Whether refugees from war or economic migrants, they are people, and human traffickers are taking full advantage of them to take their money and transport them in lethal conditions.
This doesn’t stop when they reach Europe, and in Britain the conditions of near-servitude in places like the Lincolnshire agricultural districts are starting to come to light, where criminal gangmasters (not the legal gangmasters) are exploiting migrants sexually and economically. People are trying to wake the local police forces up to how widespread these practices are, according to my paper.
A humane, not a callous, approach is what’s called for, and it can only work through international (especially EU) action. Otherwise we’re no better than the traffickers.
@sceptical guy wrote:
What gets me is the callous, inhumane attitude towards a genuine plight, caused to a large extent by our own governments in their policy of plunder and war. We can bomb the hell out of them, totally disrupt their countries with a knock-on effect throughout the region, and then talk about the people who flee in terms of swarms of insects.
I have seen people in JC try to whip up the fears that people have,and even talk carelessly of a mass gassing of people in the Channel Tunnel. The UK government provides the most minimal support to deal with the human traffickers who transport refugees across the Mediterranean.
The photographs in the post which opened this thread were posted to show that these are people, who have left their homes because it’s become impossible to live there. Whether refugees from war or economic migrants, they are people, and human traffickers are taking full advantage of them to take their money and transport them in lethal conditions.
This doesn’t stop when they reach Europe, and in Britain the conditions of near-servitude in places like the Lincolnshire agricultural districts are starting to come to light, where criminal gangmasters (not the legal gangmasters) are exploiting migrants sexually and economically. People are trying to wake the local police forces up to how widespread these practices are, according to my paper.
A humane, not a callous, approach is what’s called for, and it can only work through international (especially EU) action. Otherwise we’re no better than the traffickers.
Totally agree with everything you say on this issue, the EU won’t sort it though, they never do. Cameron claimed in 2010 he would reduce EU economic immigration into the tens of thousands, it is currently at record levels, at a time when funding in the public sector is being slashed horrendously, I understand why people are suspicious of immigration but immigrants are not to blame for the ideology of this government and the previous ‘new labour’ one. The system is creaking because of tory and new labour ideology not because of immigration. ie they do not invest in public services and housing.
People also need to recognize that there is a difference between economic migration and refugees/asylum seekers and no the UK is NOT doing its bit on that front.
What a crap society we have become when we appear to be quite happy exploiting low paid economic migrants and turn our backs on people fleeing war and persecution.
Scep I agree with everything you say…unfortunately lots of british people see immigrants as immigrants….no matter what their plight or situation…we all know the ideal solution….but things are out of control….out of control causes chaos
I also saw those comments about gassing them…..even if the comments were made in jest….its pretty sick considering we all know what happened historicaly especially in reference to gassing@trapper wrote:
Is this resettlement permanent how do we solve getting these people back to their homeland
I don’t have the time to do the google work which would be needed on this, Trapper, but you seem a dab hand at the PC.
To my knowledge, refugees are placed in refugee centres where they are processed to see if they are genuine refugees or illegal immigrants. These conditions are supposed to be humane (I hope they’re not anything like Yarl’s Wood, an immigration removal centre which has been the subject of a lot of complaints.) though..
If they obtain the right of asylum, they are give accommodation and enough money to live. They return when the country from which they fled is stablised, and then by diplomatic agreement. They may not be able to return.
@kent f OBE wrote:
Scep I agree with everything you say…unfortunately lots of british people see immigrants as immigrants….no matter what their plight or situation…we all know the ideal solution….but things are out of control….out of control causes chaos
I also saw those comments about gassing them…..even if the comments were made in jest….its pretty sick considering we all know what happened historicaly especially in reference to gassingMs K,
I know!
It’s always been the case – against the Asian and Commonwealth immigrants of the 1950s and 60s; against the Jews at the turn of the last century (a Jew Bill was introduced in the early 1900s to regulate Jewish immigration).
I do think that the loud minority who get very angry are greatly outnumbered by a majority who are caring and happy to live with strangers.
But people do have fears, and these fears are heightened by the free movement of labour which lies at the heart of the EU, and especially by a major crisis caused by the wars and related famine in the Middle East and East African regions.
It’s criminal that our government should give in to the fears rather than answer them.
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