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ah once again the tale of innocence lost. Kids CANT play anymore,its official.
sheest when i was that age,id be up early and away on my bike for the day with Marion, up the road. With a feast of meat paste sarnies and IF one of us was lucky,a peice of fruit. Failing that were surrounded by farms so raspberries and strawberries were always on the menu. whether to be eaten or chucked at each other. We would go home for tea time,usually covered in berry juice,and skint knees.
fast forward…..
its getting ridiculous when parents are facing such scorn.admittedly i dont know all the ins and outs in this case.YES we HAVE to protect our children,but we CANNOT wrap them in cotton wool. Its not a coincidence that most houses with kids nowadays have trampolines and basketball hoops.its to keep them in. WERE scared to let them out of our sight. Were breeding a generation of cyber kids that can invent pc programmes and hack, but they cant ride bikes.
The way I see it after reading more is that they were being kids.and there was other kids there too. But to blame the parents who must feel bad enough right now …
I agree the pretend policetypes COULD have did more.
@rubyred wrote:
ah once again the tale of innocence lost. Kids CANT play anymore,its official.
sheest when i was that age,id be up early and away on my bike for the day with Marion, up the road. With a feast of meat paste sarnies and IF one of us was lucky,a peice of fruit. Failing that were surrounded by farms so raspberries and strawberries were always on the menu. whether to be eaten or chucked at each other. We would go home for tea time,usually covered in berry juice,and skint knees.
fast forward…..
its getting ridiculous when parents are facing such scorn.admittedly i dont know all the ins and outs in this case.YES we HAVE to protect our children,but we CANNOT wrap them in cotton wool. Its not a coincidence that most houses with kids nowadays have trampolines and basketball hoops.its to keep them in. WERE scared to let them out of our sight. Were breeding a generation of cyber kids that can invent pc programmes and hack, but they cant ride bikes.
The way I see it after reading more is that they were being kids.and there was other kids there too. But to blame the parents who must feel bad enough right now …
I agree the pretend policetypes COULD have did more.
wow i agree with ruby!!!!!!
this is what i mean!
im not saying parents should take no blame im saying that kids need to play without their parents watching them!
I have to agree with Fats on this one
How dare any parents let their kids go out to play !!
If they are allowed out then make sure they are wearing gas masks , bullet proof vests and protective clothing .
Tag them , and if possible attach cameras and recording equipment to themFFS Kids will be kids – they have accidents – they learn – it’s called growing up
Not feckin smothering them in cotton wool
I might not have my eldest in full sight at all time as he is 14, my youngest never goes anywhere without adult supervision, call me over protective but at 7 I don’t think he should be hanging around on the streets nevermind near quarrys.
My mum used to have me out on the street from 9 in the morning only being allowed back in for lunch or tea, that was then…and guess what! I had a man sexually assult me when I was 8 years old, it might of been wrong time wrong place but I think it was as dangerous then as it is now.
In todays society mums have to go to work to make ends meet, neighbours are no longer friends, just people we say hi to if our paths happen to cross, this story just reiterates how dangerous this world is, it’s about time parents stopped thinking of the “good ol’ days” and remember what society is. For me this world is a scary place especially since having children of my own, not a day goes by I do not worry.@*Sian wrote:
I might not have my eldest in full sight at all time as he is 14, my youngest never goes anywhere without adult supervision, call me over protective but at 7 I don’t think he should be hanging around on the streets nevermind near quarrys.
My mum used to have me out on the street from 9 in the morning only being allowed back in for lunch or tea, that was then…and guess what! I had a man sexually assult me when I was 8 years old, it might of been wrong time wrong place but I think it was as dangerous then as it is now.
In todays society mums have to go to work to make ends meet, neighbours are no longer friends, just people we say hi to if our paths happen to cross, this story just reiterates how dangerous this world is, it’s about time parents stopped thinking of the “good ol’ days” and remember what society is. For me this world is a scary place especially since having children of my own, not a day goes by I do not worry.but hey sian….you shouldnt worry…according to drivel and tm its all part of growing up and if you dont make it past age 8 then hey thems the risks you take. let kids go where they want when they want do what they want…..dont worry if you havnt seen them for a few hours…..cos if they happen to be drowning in a quarry then its the polices responsiblity not yours….your just letting them be kids!!!!
@forumhostpb wrote:
Apparently, and as the facts emerge, it seems that the PCSO’s were called by a member of the public who had seen what happened (and presumably didn’t jump in themselves?).
On their arrival, several minutes after the second child had jumped in to the water, there was no sign of anybody on the surface. They were instructed by their control room NOT to go into the water to try to locate the bodies under the surface as it was considered too dangerous – and they were not trained in underwater search.
In the background of all this I am left with a thought.
This ‘water’ was in fact a disused quarry that had become flooded – forming a lake. These quarries are extremely dangerous as the water usually gets really deep right up to the edge and the public are forever being warned NOT to swim in them etc etc because of the danger of drowning.
Why, I ask myself, did the parent(s) of these two young children allow them to ‘play’ in such a dangerous area at all – much less unsupervised???
So now they make a big song and dance (at the inquest) about the PCSO’s allegedly failing to save a life – don’t the parents share any part of the blame in this – or are they completely innocent and it’s all somebody else’s fault???
I have to say i hadnt thought about it this way, i got sucked in with all the media hype about blaming the PCSO’s!
You’re right though, the parents have to take some of the blame leaving them unsupervised like that (if thats what happened – I havent read all the facts)
So just to clear up a few misunderstandings about the Media reporting – and the expressions of mass outrage and hysterical ranting that followed.
The location where the children drowned wasn’t a ”little pond” – it was a flooded former mine pit near Wigan where the dark brackish water is more than two metres deep at the edges and further out drops right down really deep (into the old mine shaft?)
It was fenced off to prevent access by the public and there were signposts all around the perimeter warning of the dangerous waters and prohibiting swimming.
The PCSO’s were called by a member of the public who hadn’t seen little Bethany get into trouble but apparently did see Jordon Lyon trying to rescue her – and drowning in the brave attempt.
When the PCSO’s arrived, the surface of the water was still with no sign that anybody was underneath. Even assuming that they could swim (and loads of people can’t) it is utterly insane to expect them to go into the water somewhere or other and start an underwater search – not even being sure where to begin – and with no equipment at all.
In any event the incident had happened some time previously to their arrival, so no they didn’t just stand by and watch the little boy drown (as was hysterically reported in the tabloid press) – in all probability he was already dead …. somewhere under water.
The golden rule of lifesaving is to consider the danger to yourself first, because increasing the casualty count only increases the problem. Jumping into the deep black water blind, having no idea where any bodies may be located, would be the last thing you’d do.
So now Mrs Ganderton hurls abuse at the Police in general and all PCSO’s in particular – egged on by her semi-literate partner – saying that she wants the PCSO’s named and shamed and she wants a second inquiry into the death of her son.
Well she seems to want an awful lot – how about she also tells the Media why she permitted three children all under the age of 10 to go roaming totally unsupervised in such a dangerous spot in the first place?????
She might even have taken the time and trouble to educate them to stay away from that area or better still ensure that they were taught how to swim. At least she would still have three children now, instead of blaming everybody else for her lack of parental care.
Agree with PB here, mainly about the first point made about the person who contacted them. I’m guessing here, but it’s probable that there was more than just this one person in the area at the time so logistically, several people could have been standing about doing sweet FA then pointing the finger at others.
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