Boards Index General discussion Off topic chat The World has Gone Mad

Viewing 10 posts - 1 through 10 (of 23 total)
  • Author
    Posts
  • #8072

    Police Community Support Officers should be scrapped after a young boy drowned as two PCSOs stood by, a Police Federation boss has said.

    Jordon Lyon, ten, was trying to rescue his eight-year-old step-sister Bethany who got into difficulty while swimming at John Taylor’s Pit in Wigan, Greater Manchester, in May this year.

    Two fishermen saw Bethany with her arms wrapped Jordon’s neck as he was holding her up with his head under the water. They jumped in and saved her but Jordon became submerged.

    An inquest has heard two PCSOs arrived at the scene but did not attempt to rescue Jordon because they were not trained to deal with the incident and called for further assistance from uniformed officers.

    Jordon’s mother, Tracy Lyon, and his step-father Anthony Ganderton, of Bluebell Avenue, Wigan, want to know why the PCSOs did not try to rescue their son.

    Mrs Lyon has called for the PCSOs to be named after they were not asked to give evidence at her son’s inquest and said they should lose their jobs.

    She said: “If you’re walking down the street and you see a child drowning you automatically go in that water. You don’t care if you’re going to lose your job or not.

    “I want them to be named. I want to know why they weren’t at the inquest when I had to turn up there and go through the pain of it all.”

    Her husband told the inquest: “I don’t know why they didn’t go in. I can’t understand it. If I had been walking along a canal and seen a child drowning I would have jumped in.

    “You don’t have to be trained to jump in after a drowning child.”

    Mr Ganderton and a friend had waded into the pond in a desperate search for Jordon and were helped by a uniformed officer who stripped off his body armour and dived in.

    Jordon was pulled from the water up to five minutes later. They tried to resuscitate him but he was later pronounced dead at hospital.

    The inquest heard there had been initial confusion over the location of the pond with trained officers sent to the wrong place.

    Greater Manchester Police defended the PCSOs actions and said they were right not to jump in the water because they were not trained in such incidents.

    But, Paul Kelly, chairman of the Police Federation in Manchester said PCSOs are not capable of dealing with emergency situations.

    He said: “The public are being fooled. We are sending people out there who are dressed as police officers.

    “Every single police officer that went to training school with me 30 years ago left with a life-saving certificate of some sort.

    “I don’t know in this case if the two PCSOs could not swim but not swimming was not an option in our training.

    “We’ve got to able to deal with all types of situations. We should do away with PCSOs because they are a failed experiment.

    “In Greater Manchester we have taken on up to 400 PCSOs in the last 18 months but in the same period have reduced the number of police officers by more than 200.

    “We should be investing in more police officers.”

    A verdict of accidental death was recorded.

    What is the world coming to when you stand by and watch someone die, then say you couldnt do anything as you dont have the training, is it so difficult to tie some rope round yourself, get some people to hold it while you dive in after the kid.

    #288299

    Its a disgrace. How they stood there and watched him drown is beyond me. lol @ not being trained, its human instinct to help someone in that sort of situation. They should be stripped of their “jobs” :twisted:

    #288300

    obviously there “human” instincts leave their body the minute they put the uniform on.

    That lad should be given a bravery award for diving in to save his sister. if only they had half what that boy had.

    Makes me want to vomit this story.

    #288301

    Apparently, and as the facts emerge, it seems that the PCSO’s were called by a member of the public who had seen what happened (and presumably didn’t jump in themselves?).

    On their arrival, several minutes after the second child had jumped in to the water, there was no sign of anybody on the surface. They were instructed by their control room NOT to go into the water to try to locate the bodies under the surface as it was considered too dangerous – and they were not trained in underwater search.

    In the background of all this I am left with a thought.

    This ‘water’ was in fact a disused quarry that had become flooded – forming a lake. These quarries are extremely dangerous as the water usually gets really deep right up to the edge and the public are forever being warned NOT to swim in them etc etc because of the danger of drowning.

    Why, I ask myself, did the parent(s) of these two young children allow them to ‘play’ in such a dangerous area at all – much less unsupervised???

    So now they make a big song and dance (at the inquest) about the PCSO’s allegedly failing to save a life – don’t the parents share any part of the blame in this – or are they completely innocent and it’s all somebody else’s fault???

    #288302

    i read it was a pond and 6ft deep???

    #288303

    i must agree with PB on this one. what was an 8yr old child doing swimming in a disused quarry? apart from the obvious danger..what about the deseases she could have picked up?

    #288304

    Calamity the only pond is the parents of the child POND life. :twisted:

    #288305

    Its true!! surely i mean surely after all this McCann stuff going on parents should know that they cannot let their children play anywhere out of their eyeline!

    as a child i played in a quarry! i even climbed a tree!! i even used to play by a pond!!! i know i know my parents are to blame they really are because i shouldnt of been climbing trees and they should of watched me

    i remember my friend falling from a tree when he was 10 yrs old!

    im surprised he was allowed to stay with his parents!! they should of been locked up!

    Simple fact is that a passer by who as PB pointed out didnt go into help either! wasted vital time the CSOs could of gone in aswell should they of? what was going through their minds?

    would they of lost their job if they had gone in?

    im not a parent but its getting too easy nowadays to blame a parent for everything

    #288306

    exactly. your not a parent. but i take it when and if ever you are you will allow any offspring you produce to play in quarries.swim in filth ridden water…and leave them unattended whilst you and your wife tootle off to have a meal with friends. the mind boggles! :roll:

    #288307

    so you have NEVER let your child play ANYWHERE where you cannot see them EVER?
    bet they had the best summer holidays ever, simple fact is kids dare each other all the time to do stuff when they are together

    not yours obviously because they never leave your site which i suppose is good really as they will never come to harm.

    maybe all parents should do this

    i take the quarry bit back by the way i didnt realise they where actually swimming in it!! i thought they had fell in.

Viewing 10 posts - 1 through 10 (of 23 total)

Get involved in this discussion! Log in or register now to have your say!