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Very honest of you to share that with us Esme, nice to see you up and posting again.
And providing a great insite into this particular topic 8)
I don’t support euthanasia as every living creature is driven by instinct to try and survive usually manifesting itself in a fear (or at least reluctance) of death, brings to mind a phrase I think I heard somewhere “suicide is for quitters” (cruel but true)
i do agree with Esme in whats she is saying in the fact that despite her particular problems she has been able to come through it or at least on the right road, as is her genuine wish when of conscious mind, i disagree with the doctors pulling the tube scenario unless it is an express wish from the patient.
But i have seen both sides of this arguement, being the main carer in both and them both being family members perhaps makes me biased i dont know but ….1 being where there was no getting better the prognosis was completely, “it will only get worse” and it did, ending in agonising pain and suffering,the second even after her insistence 3 times for a DNR the “family decided otherwise” for me that was selfish, each time she came out of hospital her daily toil was too much, she wasnt morbid about it i dont want it to sound that way, but she just wanted to “go and be in peace and free from pain”, from a selfish point of view i got to have more time with her and her brain was totally there until she departed and was a joy for me to spend that time, but for her it wasnt what she wanted and u could almost see in her eyes most days that “please let me go now”. Her last time in hospital her DNR request was honoured, and for her sake of that i am greatful tho she is badly missed.
But in both cases Euthanasia or / and DNR being honoured would have been best for both of them, and i know if they had been well enough to travel Switzerland it would have been.
sorry im rambling now but i feel strongly in favour of this, and if either had asked me to assist them (though neither would put me in that position) i would have, whatever the consequences to myself. Foolish maybe but there it is.@Forget Me Not wrote:
I don’t support euthanasia as every living creature is driven by instinct to try and survive usually manifesting itself in a fear (or at least reluctance) of death, brings to mind a phrase I think I heard somewhere “suicide is for quitters” (cruel but true)
Maybe true but sometimes people have earnt the right to quit.
And as lollipop said u wont and dont let an animal suffer in this way if u can prevent it, so why should we not get the same concern.@Forget Me Not wrote:
I don’t support euthanasia as every living creature is driven by instinct to try and survive usually manifesting itself in a fear (or at least reluctance) of death, brings to mind a phrase I think I heard somewhere “suicide is for quitters” (cruel but true)
I understand what you’re saying about the desperate instinct to try and survive, and the fear of death. I am terrified of dying, petrified. I can’t imagine not existing anymore. I so admire those who calmly accept their fate, whereas I am a great big baby, crying and begging my hubby not to let me die. Making him promise they won’t ever switch me off.
Conversely, I have, in the past, asked him to shove a pillow over my face, instantly retracting my request, as I couldn’t bare him to suffer the consequences, nor can I give up, I just can’t. Anyway, he wouldn’t do it.
However, FMN, I will never, ever, ever, agree with the statement that ‘suicides are quitters.’
I’m certain that many of us have come within a fraction of reaching that point, where the future looked so bleak, that not another second alive seemed worthwhile. In many way, the coward is the one who on realising they have reached the end of the road, doesn’t take that final leap. I sometimes consider myself that coward, or maybe I’m just following my instinct. Whichever -I admire those who know when it’s time to quit.=D> lovely to see u Esme hope your feeling a little better xx
and i agree with you@(f)politics? wrote:
=D> lovely to see u Esme hope your feeling a little better xx
and i agree with youThanks Poli and thanks Shazza. Feeling like shyte, but thats an improvement on me usual, so I’ll settle for it and be grateful :wink:
To go on when it seems useless isnt cowardly i have to agree that suicide is for quitters an “easy” way out but then again i’d probably apply that to those that commit suicide over debt or losing a “loved” one etc rather than euthanasia
I’m pretty sure you can choose a do not resuscitate option which of course doesnt “help” if it’s a slow descent into an illness and the resuscitation issue doesnt come up
I dunno to be honest are there miracles and would some of us ask “what if” though we may think it was the right thing to do we’d have to live with it@esmeralda wrote:
@Forget Me Not wrote:
I don’t support euthanasia as every living creature is driven by instinct to try and survive usually manifesting itself in a fear (or at least reluctance) of death, brings to mind a phrase I think I heard somewhere “suicide is for quitters” (cruel but true)
I understand what you’re saying about the desperate instinct to try and survive, and the fear of death. I am terrified of dying, petrified. I can’t imagine not existing anymore. I so admire those who calmly accept their fate, whereas I am a great big baby, crying and begging my hubby not to let me die. Making him promise they won’t ever switch me off.
Conversely, I have, in the past, asked him to shove a pillow over my face, instantly retracting my request, as I couldn’t bare him to suffer the consequences, nor can I give up, I just can’t. Anyway, he wouldn’t do it.
However, FMN, I will never, ever, ever, agree with the statement that ‘suicides are quitters.’
I’m certain that many of us have come within a fraction of reaching that point, where the future looked so bleak, that not another second alive seemed worthwhile. In many way, the coward is the one who on realising they have reached the end of the road, doesn’t take that final leap. I sometimes consider myself that coward, or maybe I’m just following my instinct. Whichever -I admire those who know when it’s time to quit.Nice to see you back Esme.
And typing in English as well… :D
Hope you’re feeling better xx
well firstly id like to add, a huge welcome back to Esme, lovely to see u well enough to enlighten us all once again, and yes u have given me yet more food for thought… and secondly to Emse yet again fir being so open, honest and frank with ur posts on this thread.. and opened yet a mind field of questions i wish to add, if i may… lol
My dad died 5yrs ago, from Cancer he was given 1 yr back in 2000, he has Cancer between the throat and stomach the one john thaw died from, very aggressive… anyways, his father died from alzimers that speltrite./? my grandad went from on the ball, to dribble material, my dad before he had cancer said, if i go like my dad, leave the lids aff my pills, was a horrible disease to watch a loved one been hollowed out…! then when my dad told us he had cancer, he fought, went thru being opened up 3times to be re-stitched and said lets hope we aint spread it further, he paid for new american treaments as he had the moeny, was prepared to fight this with all he had, and he did, he first made his 50th birthday, then he made his 51st, then he made the last old firm game of the seaon which he heard his team win, then he passed over, i did say to him why didnt he want to give up, he said his mind was still in tack, his body ached but he could handle the pain, if he couldnt his body would just go to sleep, my dad was once a 22stone 6ft man when he died he was just under 8st… but his mind was alert and as he said he could still wipe his own ar5e..!! lol
Esme u do give me food for thought, as well in your own words, u have had both thoughts and clearly know ur still ment to be here.
I would just like the right to decide when ive had enough of life, obvisouly ive yrs left in me now, but how come we can decide wither an animal should live or die, why not US…??
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