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@kent f OBE wrote:
@wordsworth60 wrote:
@kent f OBE wrote:
Wordy after 40 yrs……….we havn’t got it right
What would ‘got it right’ look like?
Kids knowing who their dads are without the intervention of Jeremy Kyle :lol:
ha lol
Yes it’s a big question.
Poli I agree with you.
There are always some that will abuse the system to get an easy time of it. However, without going into great detail I think I have a good understanding of the definition of the terms the vulnerable and the deserving.
And yes as a society we should be prepared to look after those people in need.
@pepsi wrote:
Yes it’s a big question.
Poli I agree with you.
There are always some that will abuse the system to get an easy time of it. However, without going into great detail I think I have a good understanding of the definition of the terms the vulnerable and the deserving.
And yes as a society we should be prepared to look after those people in need.
Don’t disagree
I think Panda is doing great on this thread. Words is also making a good, rational case.
My view has been called rubbish, jus what Gordon brown said..and ? Nothing more. It’s but not answered. It’s not eccentric. I didn’t invent this. Nobody could have done.
The crisis we’re in is really bad – people are having their wages cut, pension benefits are being frozen, we have a growing number of zombie houses (houses where people are so deep in debt that a little rise in nterst rates will make them homeless), people are paying mroe into their pensions and gettng less out, the health system is moving into a crisis of health as much as funding. The article Kenty mentioned specifically related young people’s problems now to the debt crisis.
The other problems of poverty and intergration have been around a long time, but a growing economy will absorb them.
The real problem in the developing world is the financial crisis. If you kick everyone out of the country you don’t like, you still have the problem of paying off a truly scary debt.
When the banks and insurance companies collapsed it was n the US, not here or the eurozone. Bush nationalised the debt and the biggest companies, a move that would have led to impeachment in normal circumstances in free market America. He did it coz he had to – ‘this thing’s goinna blow’, as he put it. It manifested itself here first with Northern Rock, and spread here bigtime and it’s threatening to be very hard to get out. There is an increasing concern that at some point the credit system may collapse again. That isn’t said by Gordon Brown, who was fooled by the free market economists; that’s said by Martin Wolf, the economics editor of the Financial Times.
at its worst that means banks closing and wages being stopped. It very nearly did happen over 3 years ago, and I read the financial press closely when it did nearly happen. For a few days, I was genuinely worried.
The other problems you write about are real problems, but this one is a biggie, and could yet destroy the euro and the EU anyway.
If the comment by our resident nativist is to just say rubbish? Am I supposed to debate with that retreat into the union Jack version of Disney fairyland?? Is it supposed to move us forward out of the financial mess? It hasn’t even begun to explain why the mess happened, or connected it to previous crises from Japan and Sweden to the dot.com crash of 2000.
And again
well done, panda. You ahve guts., but it sounds like you’ve had to ahve them all your life. The future of this countrylies with people like you, not the nativists and racists.
like your opinion counts scept tut :lol:
Must admit that when I first saw the title of this thread, I immediately thought of this Leonard Cohen classic.
A bit scary in many ways.. but difficult to argue with at times.Give me back my broken night
my mirrored room, my secret life
it’s lonely here,
there’s no one left to torture
Give me absolute control
over every living soul
And lie beside me, baby,
that’s an order!Give me crack and anal sex
Take the only tree that’s left
stuff it up the hole
in your culture
Give me back the Berlin wall
give me Stalin and St Paul
I’ve seen the future, brother:
it is murder.Things are going to slide, slide in all directions
Won’t be nothing
Nothing you can measure anymore
The blizzard, the blizzard of the world
has crossed the threshold
and it has overturned
the order of the soul
When they said REPENT REPENT
I wonder what they meant
When they said REPENT REPENT
I wonder what they meant
When they said REPENT REPENT
I wonder what they meant.You don’t know me from the wind
you never will, you never did
I was the little jew
who wrote the Bible
I’ve seen the nations rise and fall
I’ve heard their stories, heard them all
but love’s the only engine of survival
Your servant here, he has been told
to say it clear, to say it cold:
It’s over, it ain’t going
any further
And now the wheels of heaven stop
you feel the devil’s riding crop
Get ready for the future:
it is murder.Things are going to slide …
There’ll be the breaking of the ancient
western code
Your private life will suddenly explode
There’ll be phantoms
There’ll be fires on the road
and a white man dancing
You’ll see a woman
hanging upside down
her features covered by her fallen gown
and all the lousy little poets
coming round
tryin’ to sound like Charlie Manson
and the white man dancin’.Give me back the Berlin wall
Give me Stalin and St Paul
Give me Christ
or give me Hiroshima
Destroy another fetus now
We don’t like children anyhow
I’ve seen the future, baby:
it is murder.Things are going to slide …
When they said REPENT REPENT …
Umm… Sleep well 8-[
@(f)politics? wrote:
like your opinion counts scept tut :lol:
maybe not, pol,
but if you read it carefully, it’s not my opinion. It’s a generally agreed analysis of the problem – debt lies at its heart, the rest are consequences..
My opinion of what has caused this, and of how to get it out, hasn’t been given.
I have pointed to how inapt some other people’s opinions are.
And I do think that the atavistic nationalism which we’re seeing surface in Europe from UKIP through the National Front in France to New Dawn in Greece can be contained. I hope so, or the future could be pretty scary. I don’t see us as living in a Weimar situation, but I don’t want us to move into one either. If we do, I’ll agree with whoever is in power, as nobody else’s opinions will count for sure then.
hey i was kidding with ya, everyone opinion counts x
@(f)politics? wrote:
hey i was kidding with ya, everyone opinion counts x
that’s good to know poli. Wasn’t quite sure, though you’ve always been all right with me. And this from a man who teases a lot, too lol
But in a thread where passions can run quite high, such as this one, you can easily confuse the insulting and the tease threads. I try to ignore the isults in cases like this, and keep it rational.
but ta anyway xx *dodges a slap
And I do hope that Panda knows she’s not without support here. She sounds as though she’s had a pretty tough time, in life as well as the boards.
I’m sorry if panda or anyone has had it tough as you say scept.
I know nothing of them if it is indeed true, so I won’t insult the lady by pandering to her mistakes just because she has.Look.. Ok.. I’ve quoted Bill Clinton’s oft trumpeted “It’s the economy, stupid” on other threads here, and yes sceptical, with regard to this particular stream it resonates more than ever.
Economic collapse, financial famine, debt crisis.. whatever way we want to address it, is one of the root causes of most socio-political woes, and must be tackled head on.However.. to attempt to do this without confronting thorny issues such as .. yes.. immigration.. as well as banking/lending structures, big centralised government, education, the welfare state, law and order – to name but a few – shows a distinct lack of knowledge of political realities ranging from the naive to complete stupidity.
Terry brought up immigration and we were told it was “typical” with rolling eyes.
Typical of what may I ask?
Could it be construed that nobody can dare have the slightest negative observation when it comes to immigration without being at best dismissed in such throw-away terms and at worst branded a racist?
I could have taken a similar route with your summation of events here in Ireland.
I did not.
For it’s your opinion.. put forth in good faith I’m sure.. and with the (somewhat limited it would seem) knowledge available to you at the time.I stand by my challenge.. For anyone to show me where Terry’s initial immigration post was anyway racist or deserved the treatment it received.
The silence so far has been quite deafening.PS I in no way advocate Terry’s subsequent posts.
PPS I did say we should move on from this but it seems sceptical had different ideas :lol:
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