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U do seem to be very adamant in your own opinions Terry. You have every right to hold them and express them but surely not the right to denigrate the opinions of others?
@(f)politics? wrote:
great piece Sgt and pretty much hits the nail on the head, as to the direction this thread as swerved to.
Censorship is no longer done by governments or the church, but by authoritarian single-issue political interest groups, pseudo-liberal journalists and agenda-driven quangos.
Empowered by our crazy thought-and-speech laws, and liberated by the endless Nuremberg Rally that is the internet, they can make dissent too hideously unpleasant for most people to risk. So who is now the fascist?
indeed!
How true poli
@terry wrote:
@sceptical guy wrote:
Tel, I’m not getting into a yes it does, no it doesn’t debate. That’s for morons.And I welcome the cosmopolitan nature of the economy. I maintain good relations with Polish people, who are good people on the whole. Their accent doesn’t bother me.
The main problem lies in regulating a decent wage for all to make sure everyone’s wages aren’t reduced to the lowest level. That’s a general problem with markets, not with Europe. In the US black migration to the North a century ago threatened white workers wages, and the whites reacted with vicious racism, killing many in pogroms.
Regulating wages, not a vicious nationalist politics, is the answer.
Sgt pepper, it’s not immigration which is the problem but a financial crisis which has hit all the developed Western world – the US, Britain, the eurozone It took everyone by surprise, and in reaction neo-Nazi groups like Golden Dawn in Greece and a nativist right-wing politics in France and here are making headway. I feel sure this nativcist resurgence can be eventually contained – for all our sakes, I hope it is.
The real problem is understanding why the financial system crashed and, most worrying, whether there’s a tendency for it to keep crashing, which is my fear (there’s been increasing evidence of that in the past 30 yrs). Then how do you move to a situation where we are much more secure in our social environment.
The nativist politics which blames it all on immigrants doesn’t even address the question – we can kick out everybody who seems ‘different’ and still end up in a financial catastrophe.
The problem isn’t Poles (here) or Afghans (in Greece) or gypsies (in France and Italy) – it’s a problem in the banking system, and we’d better see to it pdq.
What absolute rubbish. :roll:
Don’t rubbish the whole thing terry, there are some good points, dissect and discuss (i’ll read the debate quietly) :D
@panda12 wrote:
@Sgt Pepper wrote:
Surely immigration (and indeed emigration) are crucial factors in most (if not all) things socio-political panda?
I see no wrong whatsoever in Terry being able to say what he said.. I may agree or disagree politically of course (though it’s hard to argue with such cold, hard figures).
But, a statement like this should be deemed reasonable to debate as opposed to dismissing it as some form of taboo subject no?
It’s relevant.Well Pepper, how do you see the human race? All God’s children or are we broken down into individual races?
That’s a huge question panda.
I guess in attempting to answer I’d have to say that of the two examples you give there, I don’t see why one would have to be totally exclusive from the other?
I suppose I’d have to say both.. and more.
Nice one Sgt.
It appears that freedom of speech is frowned upon by some members of JC just as it is in the wider world.
Le Pen is popular because her opinions are shared by millions of French people, who feel powerless before the huge transformations that immigration has wrought on their communities.
They have meanwhile been politically, culturally and, most of all, linguistically excluded from all the conversations on this issue, which were throughout monopolised by the politico-media elites.
They simply do not understand how their own neighbourhoods could be so transformed without their voices even being heard, never mind being respected.
@eve wrote:
U do seem to be very adamant in your own opinions Terry. You have every right to hold them and express them but surely not the right to denigrate the opinions of others?
It’s important to have an opinion eve. I don’t agree with panda, sceptical guy or poli. That’s life I’m afraid.
@terry wrote:
@eve wrote:
U do seem to be very adamant in your own opinions Terry. You have every right to hold them and express them but surely not the right to denigrate the opinions of others?
It’s important to have an opinion eve. I don’t agree with panda, sceptical guy or poli. That’s life I’m afraid.
How can you not agree with me when i agree with some of what you’ve said, that would mean you don’t agree with yourself either :lol:
A referendum in 1975 supported membership of the EEC.
British people have not stopped working abroad or sending money back home during a global recession and I think it would be as wrong to stop them doing so as it would be to stop Polish people from sending home money earned here.
I bought a two bedroom terrace in North London in 1983. I was on less than national average wage. Our Mortgage was two and a half times my annual salary plus once my wife’s lower annual salary. The equivalent loan today would raise about £85,000, which wouldn’t be half of what you needed to buy an equivalent property. The cash value of parental help has to be much greater.
The knock-on effect means later starting families, fewer children, more hours worked and a greater hold by employers over employees.
The next two generations will be very different from the last two.
@(f)politics? wrote:
Don’t rubbish the whole thing terry, there are some good points, dissect and discuss (i’ll read the debate quietly) :D
Sorry pol, but I don’t have the time or energy to discuss politics with people who haven’t a clue what they’re talking about.
Gordon Brown didn’t have a clue and sceptical guy seems to be sharing the same metaphorical lifeboat with him as this country sinks into the depths of oblivion just like The Titanic did,ooo who ruffled ur y fronts terrence
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