The Future

2 of our fundamental problems in this country are the high price of land, coupled with the high price of property which prevents many people from acquiring suitable living space; and lack of engagement in the political process. Few people know how laws are passed or how the various sections of our Constitution function.

So our politics revolve around short term vote-winners rather than thorough solutions to our problems, which are often introduced by the back door.

We do need a national vision that is relevant to world in the 21st century. Globalised market economics means that repatriating foreigners locally is not a realistic option. Other problems arise – remember the media complaints about how much British plumbers were earning before enough Eastern European workers came in to compete at lower prices?

Of course if manufacturers can’t find enough cheap labour to manufacture in this country they will simply manufacture things abroad.

Anyway I’ve got to stay away from JC for a couple of days in order to focus on business.

Good luck everyone.

Party on!

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@wordsworth60 wrote:

So how can discussing immigration become racist if the subject itself is not racist?
One way is by falsely selecting one or more racial group as a problem. False selection, poor use of figures, sweeping conclusions and insults cloud authentic problems.

Immigration is about people. Therefore discussing immigration is relevant to UK politics. Discussing it in a racist manner however, is not.

Regarding this highlighted point here words i wonder if you have watched the video clip pepsi has put up in the serious threads regarding immigration and the UK.
If my memory serves me the woman states clearly that the Uk recieved more numbers than was anticipated from the countries terry was referring too, so i;m not sure his ideals were entirely false or so indeed racist

@wordsworth60 wrote:

2 of our fundamental problems in this country are the high price of land, coupled with the high price of property which prevents many people from acquiring suitable living space; and lack of engagement in the political process. Few people know how laws are passed or how the various sections of our Constitution function.

So our politics revolve around short term vote-winners rather than thorough solutions to our problems, which are often introduced by the back door.

We do need a national vision that is relevant to world in the 21st century. Globalised market economics means that repatriating foreigners locally is not a realistic option. Other problems arise – remember the media complaints about how much British plumbers were earning before enough Eastern European workers came in to compete at lower prices?

Of course if manufacturers can’t find enough cheap labour to manufacture in this country they will simply manufacture things abroad.

Anyway I’ve got to stay away from JC for a couple of days in order to focus on business.

Good luck everyone.

Party on!

8) :lol: 8) :lol: 8) :lol: 8) :lol: 8) :lol: 8) :lol:

Manufacturing is in a crisis state in this country as i beleive mims says our exports are too low, there are factories closing at alarming rates, engineering is the same and indeed farming.
There are many many issues that need looking at not just immigration although this i s one of them

@(f)politics? wrote:

@wordsworth60 wrote:

2 of our fundamental problems in this country are the high price of land, coupled with the high price of property which prevents many people from acquiring suitable living space; and lack of engagement in the political process. Few people know how laws are passed or how the various sections of our Constitution function.

So our politics revolve around short term vote-winners rather than thorough solutions to our problems, which are often introduced by the back door.

We do need a national vision that is relevant to world in the 21st century. Globalised market economics means that repatriating foreigners locally is not a realistic option. Other problems arise – remember the media complaints about how much British plumbers were earning before enough Eastern European workers came in to compete at lower prices?

Of course if manufacturers can’t find enough cheap labour to manufacture in this country they will simply manufacture things abroad.

Anyway I’ve got to stay away from JC for a couple of days in order to focus on business.

Good luck everyone.

Party on!

8) :lol: 8) :lol: 8) :lol: 8) :lol: 8) :lol: 8) :lol:

Manufacturing is in a crisis state in this country as i beleive mims says our exports are too low, there are factories closing at alarming rates, engineering is the same and indeed farming.
There are many many issues that need looking at not just immigration although this i s one of them

manufacturing went in the 1980s, poli, as the major way of making a living in the UK.Services constitue the main way now. Ask martin, who owns JC???

It’s actually been rising again in new forms, but manufacturing is now mainly in Germany and the 3rd world countries.

I have no problem with this. There’s a long term trend away from manufacturing towards services as economies develop. IN the USA, the blue-collar workforce dropped below 50% back in 1960. There are good reasons for this trend, but it always causes anxiety. In the USA in 1960, there were widespread fears of mass unemployemnt, but what happend iwas that employment changed.

Immigration is a political problem, for sure, but the way the global divison of labour works is for expanding economies to take in labour from abroad, and for declining economies to see labour go. Governments encourage immigration when employers demand it – Enoch Powell was responsible for setting up employkent exchanges n Jamaica to encourage afro-caribbeans to emigrate to the UK in the early 60s – and crack down brutally when the economy contracts. The number of Poles leaving the UK was greater than those coming in as the recession hit after 2008, as there were no jobs. I think it’s on the rise again,slightly?? but haven’t seen figures. It doesn’t bother me one bit, but driving down wages bothers me. The answer? Join a union and fight.

If you look at economic trends, there