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I think we all know that once a debate is started on the dire economic situation in this country then someone will typically bring up immigration as a cause. It was only a matter of time and Terry so obliged. The only difference between now and the 1980s recession is the ethnic group being blamed. What’s changed? Why aren’t the blacks and the Asians being blamed anymore for coming over here and taking all the jobs? After all the National Front blamed them.
30 years later Terry wants to blame the Europeans and the Poles in particular. :roll:
Pepper..get a life ffs! :roll:
@panda12 wrote:
30 years later Terry wants to blame the Europeans and the Poles in particular. :roll:
Blame the Poles for what..?
I blame – as always – the government. We need strong leadership yet we’ve never had it. It’s no wonder we’re in a mess.
Panda – I realise you’re trying to brand me a racist. You’ve even mentioned Asians and West Indians to try and rally some kind of support against me. At the end of the day though I’m not a racist. I’ve been subject to racist abuse on many occasions though. What I believe in is economics. We have a workforce on the dole. Why on earth do we need east Europeans?
Maybe it’s a ‘guilt by association thing’. The Right, including avowedly racist organisations, have used Immigration as a rallying call for decades. And of course the racists are only too happy to blame Immigrants (usually excluding Australians, Canadians and Americans, whom they assume are all white and of UK ancestry)
So quickly quoting immigration as the fundamental source of our problems in the middle of an international financial crisis, and dismissing any other perspective seems at best simplistic, at worst deceptive and somewhere on that scale possibly racist – and any of those could prompt rolling eyes, not just racism
Of course if the country had no problems before immigration increased during the 1950s, then it would be a valid assertion. But if we left the EU and returned immigration to pre-1950s levels the evidence is that we would still have financial and social problems. Because we had them before – again and again and again and again and again and again and again.
Wordsworth…1,000,000 Poles came to live in the UK in the space of a year. It is in the record books as the single biggest mass migration of all time.
What is wrong with you??? Do you not understand what I’m trying to explain and the reasons why immigration has been so damaging. Even Gordon Brown has admitted they got it wrong so why can’t you??? :twisted:
@terry wrote:
Wordsworth…1,000,000 Poles came to live in the UK in the space of a year. It is in the record books as the single biggest mass migration of all time.
What is wrong with you??? Do you not understand what I’m trying to explain and the reasons why immigration has been so damaging. Even Gordon Brown has admitted they got it wrong so why can’t you??? :twisted:
Terry, an interesting concept to consider, two different humans with different backgrounds can look at the same information and come to different conclusions. Just because I disagree with you doesn’t mean I don’t understand.
Also, could you please tell me which record books show 1,000,000 Poles arriving in a year, because all I could find were figures putting the total Polish population at nearly a million, so I must be missing something.
Gordon Brown might have admitted they got it wrong, but I don’t think he meant he got it as wrong as you say, or that Polish people coming into this country were the single cause of every problem the country has from teen pregnancy to a financial deficit.
Perhaps you could also explain why I’m wrong: Do you really think we had no financial problems before the 1950s?
@wordsworth60 wrote:
@terry wrote:
Wordsworth…1,000,000 Poles came to live in the UK in the space of a year. It is in the record books as the single biggest mass migration of all time.
What is wrong with you??? Do you not understand what I’m trying to explain and the reasons why immigration has been so damaging. Even Gordon Brown has admitted they got it wrong so why can’t you??? :twisted:
Gordon Brown might have admitted they got it wrong, but I don’t think he meant he got it as wrong as you say
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@terry wrote:
Even Gordon Brown has admitted they got it wrong so why can’t you??? :twisted:
So Terry, are you really saying that no matter what else might be at issue, the main test of my reason is whether or not I agree with Gordon Brown? Any other of Gordon’s statements you want me to agree with while we’re at it?
@wordsworth60 wrote:
So quickly quoting immigration as the fundamental source of our problems in the middle of an international financial crisis, and dismissing any other perspective seems at best simplistic, at worst deceptive and somewhere on that scale possibly racist – and any of those could prompt rolling eyes, not just racist
Words, your theory here is based on no hard evidence from Terry’s post lol.
Truly astonishing really :lol:Terry’s post was in direct response to Mrs Teapot’s reflection on Europe.
I don’t see him dismissing anyone in this post.
And what makes his post as conceived as “quickly” or quicker as anyone elses?
Are we down to judging whether opinions should be merited on how quick we can type or how slow we can ponder them now?
What’s all this “fundamental source” business?
And on what (or whose ) scale does supposed “deceptive” turn to “racism” in this post?As for the whole “Guilt by association” well that’s ludicrous in relation to this and has more holes in it than a tea bag.. it could be argued it’s more discriminating than any of Terry’s remarks in his initial post and stifles any Yes or No debate on the subject, reducing it to Yes, More Yes or You Cannot Say No censorship.
I put it to you that it was panda and not Terry who jumped to too many conclusions here.. and that your retrospective sweep up is proving to be rather redundant.
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