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@terry wrote:
@panda12 wrote:
However, my main concern is that should we leave the EU we will become isolated and they will impose high, Protectionist trade tariffs upon us which will cripple us and cause the cost of living to rise to such an extent that we no longer live but exist.
This is the view that Sceptical Guy, Gordon Brown, momentary loss and Tony Blair hold on to. It’s the fear factor that holds no water and is designed to persuade the public to override their gut feelings about the corruptness of the EU.
So if we leave the EU entirely, how will we survive as a nation when the EU countries impose Protectionist trade tariffs and it costs us more to import and export?
Good post, momes.
Terry really alarms me, as does the UKIP.
They’re playing games with our lives here
In about 5 years we could be living in a very different EU. Where we need to be assessing our situation with real care, we get slogans and doctored posts in order to make cheap rhetorical points.
Terry, be serious. If you can point to the UK being in a stronger postion on its own in a world of increasingly aggressive trading blocs, set it out fairly and honestly, and we’ll listen.. Otherwise, stop playing games, as this affects our families livelihood and future.
@terry wrote:
@panda12 wrote:
However, my main concern is that should we leave the EU we will become isolated and they will impose high, Protectionist trade tariffs upon us which will cripple us and cause the cost of living to rise to such an extent that we no longer live but exist.
This is the view that Sceptical Guy, Gordon Brown, momentary loss and Tony Blair hold on to. It’s the fear factor that holds no water and is designed to persuade the public to override their gut feelings about the corruptness of the EU.
Wanting to stay part of the EU doesn’t mean accepting everything about how it runs.
I resent many of the things done in my name by the UK government. I wince at the bunch of public schoolboys (and it is boys not girls) telling me they are in it with me. We have a corrupt tax system, laws which mean that aristocrats can bar our access to our own countryside, there is no respect for public service, there is a pervasive blame culture which prevents anyone from doing anything innovative, we clearly are moving in the direction of having little social conscience, except for blaming scroungers who have been made redundant as a result of no fault of their own. We are happy to see Greece slide into nazism when we know that holding it to its debt will ruin it for decades (last time we did that it was Germany in the twenties and thirties and look how that ended up).
Despite all of the above, I choose to live here and will fight for the type of country I want to see.
Europe is our future. Instead of running away, we should fight for the sort of Europe we want to see, and do it from inside. We should not be messing around with a lunatic fringe in the European Parliament like a bunch of spoiled kids. Cameron could be Angela Merkel’s closest confidante and have real power. If he wants to stop federalism, how about actually turning up to the party, rather than sneering from the wings?
Having a vote about being in or out of Europe? That’s a joke. We are already associating with idiots and hanging out the window, wondering why nobody listens to us. For all you despise them, the Europeans listened to Blair and Brown. You do not agree with what they did with that power but that is nothing to do with our membership of the EU, rather the actions of the two men concerned.
You gotta be in it to win it.
Hear Hear ML, to just about every word you said.
@panda12 wrote:
@terry wrote:
@panda12 wrote:
However, my main concern is that should we leave the EU we will become isolated and they will impose high, Protectionist trade tariffs upon us which will cripple us and cause the cost of living to rise to such an extent that we no longer live but exist.
This is the view that Sceptical Guy, Gordon Brown, momentary loss and Tony Blair hold on to. It’s the fear factor that holds no water and is designed to persuade the public to override their gut feelings about the corruptness of the EU.
So if we leave the EU entirely, how will we survive as a nation when the EU countries impose Protectionist trade tariffs and it costs us more to import and export?
I spend so much time arguing in favour of an EU opt out that it’s starting to bore me.
Going around in circles, trying to convince everyone that the EU is an evil (which it is) that we can do without not is what I want to do. The arguments i’ve read in favour of the EU do not convince me that my opinion is worth changing. In fact (if anything) Sceptical Guy and others have re-inforced my view that leaving the EU is an essential course of action for us to take.@terry wrote:
@panda12 wrote:
@terry wrote:
@panda12 wrote:
However, my main concern is that should we leave the EU we will become isolated and they will impose high, Protectionist trade tariffs upon us which will cripple us and cause the cost of living to rise to such an extent that we no longer live but exist.
This is the view that Sceptical Guy, Gordon Brown, momentary loss and Tony Blair hold on to. It’s the fear factor that holds no water and is designed to persuade the public to override their gut feelings about the corruptness of the EU.
So if we leave the EU entirely, how will we survive as a nation when the EU countries impose Protectionist trade tariffs and it costs us more to import and export?
I spend so much time arguing in favour of an EU opt out that it’s starting to bore me.
Going around in circles, trying to convince everyone that the EU is an evil (which it is) that we can do without not is what I want to do. The arguments i’ve read in favour of the EU do not convince me that my opinion is worth changing. In fact (if anything) Sceptical Guy and others have re-inforced my view that leaving the EU is an essential course of action for us to take.You didn’t answer my question. Maybe I’ll ask it 12 times like Paxman did to Howard.
You really should go into politics. Either that or a taxi driver. They both go around the houses.
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