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@sceptical guy wrote:
@terry wrote:
@sceptical guy wrote:
These blanket stats tell us sweet fa when it comes to the advantages and disadvantages of EU membership.
It’s tells us that we have a yearly trading deficit of £60 billion plus a yearly membership fee of £19 billion. Our population has increased by about 2 million too and that has impacted on jobs and the welfare system.
Is there actually a benefit to being in the EU, because if there is I fail to see what it is.
would it be different outside the EU?
You’re leaping on a bald statistic – it tells us nothing about Britian’s relationship with the EU other than the fact that it runs a trading deficit with some countries (esp Germany, which is a stronger economy). We would anyway. This has nothing to do with being in or out of the EU.
Joining the EU is not a zero-sum game. It’s a question of the size of the pie as much as its distirbution. Would the pie be smaller if the UK left is the relevant question.
There is plenty of opposition to the EU from Daniel Hannan, Nigel Farage and Peter Hitchens.
And then there are the supporters of the EU such as yourself, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, David Cameron and Nick Clegg.
Clegg and Cameron are a waste of space. Brown and Blair I refuse to comment upon due to libel laws.
that’s not really answering the point, terry.All you’re doing is telling me that some people support and some oppose the EU – not saying anything we don’t know..
You don’t even get that right.
Clegg and Cameron are actually in deep disagreement over the EU. Clegg is very strongly pro-EU, as you know. The Lib Dems have long been keen federalists.
Cameron is a eurosceptic, and is busy disengaging the UK from the EU – it’s already happened over justice rules, he’s about to inflame the whole EU by vetoing the budget later this month, and he’s preparing a referendum on the nature of UK membership – a referendum in which the whole question of membership may well be forced on him.. Unlike many Tories, he’s not wanting to pull out, but he does want to ensure the UK pulls out of he EU’s federalism, to be the second tier of a two-speed Europe.
My guess is that this is what will happen. Mrs T’s feeling that we should be part of a Common Market but not part of a European polity is the feeling of the majority of the UK (Not me), and this is what the referendum will be about.
It’s a fraught question – help it along by clarifying, not the joky onbscurantism popluarised by Nigel Farage.
UKIP are not the answer. Once Farage and his cronies lose their seats in the EU Parliament then they will disappear into obscurity where they belong.
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@blossom‘ wrote:
I think the future of the UK does depend on the EU .. and unfortunately it’s going to be quite bleak, in my opinion.
Ooops…. it already is bleak, but it’s going to get worse :(I thought the future was supposed to be orange, blossom
Awwwwww … orange blossom!
Gorgeous :D
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I remember the epitaph on one graveyard in Heysham –
Here lies so and so:
Poet,
Philosopher,
Failure
Always laughed to myself when I saw that
@sceptical guy wrote:
I remember the epitaph on one graveyard in Heysham –
Here lies so and so:
Poet,
Philosopher,
Failure
Always laughed to myself when I saw that
That made me smile Scep….I would think a Poet and Philospher was far from a failiure…
I guess as humans whatever we have not succeeded in we have become a failiure…I remember saying those words to someone not so long ago…..it’s such a strong word and echos louder than the word success
@kent f OBE wrote:
@sceptical guy wrote:
I remember the epitaph on one graveyard in Heysham –
Here lies so and so:
Poet,
Philosopher,
Failure
Always laughed to myself when I saw that
That made me smile Scep….I would think a Poet and Philospher was far from a failiure…
I guess as humans whatever we have not succeeded in we have become a failiure…I remember saying those words to someone not so long ago…..it’s such a strong word and echos louder than the word success
No one is a failure in life.
Everyone is good at something.
Sometimes though, it’s not always the right side of the law.
@panda12 wrote:
@kent f OBE wrote:
@sceptical guy wrote:
I remember the epitaph on one graveyard in Heysham –
Here lies so and so:
Poet,
Philosopher,
Failure
Always laughed to myself when I saw that
That made me smile Scep….I would think a Poet and Philospher was far from a failiure…
I guess as humans whatever we have not succeeded in we have become a failiure…I remember saying those words to someone not so long ago…..it’s such a strong word and echos louder than the word success
No one is a failure in life.
Everyone is good at something.
Sometimes though, it’s not always the right side of the law.
Going a bit off an increasingly important toipic here but
the reason I chuckled and still chuckle over the epitaph is that failure is quite a heavy burden for us to carry. Many of us fear it as a judgement on our life.
I’ve known quite a few people who have hurt others pretty badly to get what they want, and a lot of that involves a desire to avoid that damning judgement – faiure.
Even people who have striven for success all their lives and attained a measure of it feel some strange sense of having failed, apparently.
The epitaph was like someone had cocked a snook at the judgement of being a failure. A big “I lived my life, you think I’m a failure, think it, but I lived my life”.
My excuse, anyhow lol
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