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i wish some1 would get a job as a doa-2-english interpretor ffs
@stang1 wrote:
I don’t think it’s necessarily about people being more clever. You can be clever and only earn £10,000 a year.
Tell me someone who’s clever who doesn’t earn a good living through no fault of their own?
Alot of people think bush is brain dead, but he was clever enough to blag his way to presidency, as did blair.
Theres clever in terms of monetry gain, and theres people who know things but are not clever enough to make that knowledge work for them.
Some people don’t get the opportunity to go into jobs earning a lot of money for different reasons.
Clever people find something.
People like nurses have extensive traing to go through but only earn a small wage but they are making a big difference to peoples lives.
What they learn isnt worth much financially, unless you get to grade G atleast.
Also, if you are earning £100,000 a year, yes you do pay higher taxes but you can also have a pretty nice lifestyle.
They earnt it.
But at the end of the day we still have mortgages, cars, bills etc. to pay for and it’s a little more difficult for people to make ends meet on a smaller wage.
Mortgages and cars etc are luxuries.
@dead_on_arrvial wrote:
But has far a fair tax system goes, can we ever have such a thing?
The same percentage for everyone.
If we all had a statement of where our taxies where being spent each year, we would all ask a lot more questions about tax.
THAT, would be an interesting read. Just imagine if we had people who run our society that actually cared about their employers (US) and wanted US to know what a complete farce their shopping bill is.
Most of us in the south of England are already paying a 20% council tax levy to improve area in the poor parts of the UK, its not very fair to make people with low paid jobs and high housing costs to do it, but they do.
Its not fair to charge those who work the hardest to fund the poor.
Do you think its fair to make single people pay more taxies so people with children have more money?
Yes, but only upto two kids per couple.
Can you believe the closet pagan BNP supporting right wing radical is actually a true supporter of the landed gentry and making the rich richer and the poor poorer- go girl, go
People who earn more, pay more- thats fair.
I can’t be ar/sed to discuss disposable incomes with you but I would never have seen you as a true blue Tory- lower the taxes of the richest so they have more money whilst the poorer get poorer
And earning money has little to do with being “clever”
Tell me someone who’s clever who doesn’t earn a good living through no fault of their own?
You seem to think that everyone goes to school, then college and then goes on to earn a fantastic living. Like I said a lot of people don’t have the opportunity whether they are clever or not.People like nurses have extensive traing to go through but only earn a small wage but they are making a big difference to peoples lives.
What they learn isnt worth much financially, unless you get to grade G atleast.
No, but thay are still making a big difference to peoples lives.Also, if you are earning £100,000 a year, yes you do pay higher taxes but you can also have a pretty nice lifestyle.
They earnt it.
I don’t dispute that they haven’t earnt it and fair play to them for having such a good wage.Mortgages and cars etc are luxuries.
I’ve never heard of a mortgage being a luxury! Whether you own a home or rent it’s a necessity. Cars may be a luxury but some people need them to get to work in the first place.Your opinions seem very black and white which is a shame. To insinuate that people on a low wage aren’t clever is a terrible slur on people. Not everybody is money orientated and perhaps do a job for pleasure rather than gain, this doesn’t make them any less clever.
[/quote]@slayer wrote:
Can you believe the closet pagan BNP supporting right wing radical is actually a true supporter of the landed gentry and making the rich richer and the poor poorer
Your wrong. Whats wrong with radicalism?
People who earn more, pay more- thats fair.
I agree.
I would never have seen you as a true blue Tory- lower the taxes of the richest so they have more money whilst the poorer get poorer
We are suppossed to be living in a fair society. Why do you think its good to be unfair?
And earning money has little to do with being “clever”
Tell me someone who’s clever who doesn’t earn a good living through no fault of their own?
stang1
Like I said a lot of people don’t have the opportunity whether they are clever or not.
Who’s fault is that?
No, but thay are still making a big difference to peoples lives.
Every job does that.
I’ve never heard of a mortgage being a luxury!
What percentage of people alive, have had one or own one, very low i should imagine. You have to earn the right to have one, just like a car or tv.
Whether you own a home or rent it’s a necessity.
Not financially. I watched a programme about 3 months ago, about a man about 35-40, who earnt a great wage in the city of London, but lived in the woods for 6 months completely free of charge (like humans do, and did many years ago), because he was fed up of the city.
We have become a consummer society. We respect money less by the week.
Cars may be a luxury but some people need them to get to work in the first place.
Only because they want a more financial and consummer lifestyle. No one needs a car to live.
Your opinions seem very black and white which is a shame.
Logic.
To insinuate that people on a low wage aren’t clever is a terrible slur on people.
I NEVER said that. Anyone can be clever, regardless of their income, but not everyone uses their intelect to make alot of money. It is rather sad that they dont.
Your arguments are so shallow and unrealistic that I can’t even be bothered having this out with you.
You carry on living in the woods with your £100,000 a year and I hope you are very happy in “your world”.@stang1 wrote:
Your arguments are so shallow
How can you say that and not know how to explain it…
and unrealistic
Only to those who have been taught one way and not open to others.
that I can’t even be bothered having this out with you.
Makes me think more that im right, because you cant prove me wrong.
It’s not a case of proving who’s right and who’s wrong. I’m extremely open-minded, shame the same can’t be said about you.
Not everybody grows up in a wonderful family, goes off to college and then ends up in a high paying job. Unfotunately, life is not like that. People come across all sorts of things in life that may prevent them from going on to do bigger things.
As for your comments about a mortgage being a luxury, come and live in the real world. I’ve “earned” the right to have a mortgage after grafting for the last 16 years but I wouldn’t call it a luxury. It was a house that I could just about afford and sadly there were no available trees in my woods to house myself, my partner and two children. The mortgage is the only thing I owe money on, everything else I worked hard for without taking out credit or loans.
No matter how much money someone earns the tax system will never be fair. I’ve worked countless hours of overtime in some jobs only to have it eaten up by the tax man, but that’s just the way it is. I don’t like it any more than the next person but that’s life!
You come across as being arrogant and single-minded. Clever? Maybe you are but I’d rather be clever and polite anyday.@stang1 wrote:
It’s not a case of proving who’s right and who’s wrong.
Even when there is one, and that we havn’t come to a collective conclusion who it is?
I’m extremely open-minded, shame the same can’t be said about you.
I asked you to prove me wrong, i’d say thats an open minded attitude.
Not everybody grows up in a wonderful family, goes off to college and then ends up in a high paying job.
Correct, whats your point?
People come across all sorts of things in life that may prevent them from going on to do bigger things.
I agree, thats why i asked you and slayer to Tell me someone who’s clever who doesn’t earn a good living through no fault of their own? but neither of you have come back with someone, suggests to me that any fault is self inflicted, unclever behaviour.
As for your comments about a mortgage being a luxury, come and live in the real world. I’ve “earned” the right to have a mortgage after grafting for the last 16 years but I wouldn’t call it a luxury.
Not everyone has one, it is earnt, by hard work.
You can get from A to B by foot, by bicycle, or by car, which one is the most luxurious, do you have to earn it?No matter how much money someone earns the tax system will never be fair.
If you work harder than me, thus earn more, why should you pay more percentagedly than me? That would be unfair on you. Were suppossed to have a government that prides itself on “equal rights for all”, doesn’t seem so to me.
I’ve worked countless hours of overtime in some jobs only to have it eaten up by the tax man, but that’s just the way it is. I don’t like it any more than the next person but that’s life!
Doesn’t mean its a good thing. The Americans loaned us £3Billion to help us win WW2, but it ended up costing us £258Billion which weve only just finished paying last week. You would think our very close relationship since the war would’ve quashed any major interest, but thats just the way it is…
You come across as being arrogant and single-minded.
And what exaggerated sense of importance or ability comes accross to you?
Eric Cantona was very arrogant, best football player ive ever seen. Very successfull people have an exaggerated sense of their importance or ability, makes them feel confident in what they do, nothing wrong with that. They too have a single-minded ability to focus on their success.But of course, we are taught to believe that winning is “wrong”, because someone else naturally loses. Maybe we should ban all sporting and political races? Maybe the people who run our society have backwards in thought?
Maybe you are but I’d rather be clever and polite anyday.
You did not just try and imply i was bad for being arrogant and single-minded…?
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