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I haven’t read through this discussion yet but I say femminism mentioned.
Femminism turns everything it touches into cancer.
Scep the figures I refer to are from when I worked ( out of date I know) but they were correct at time I was working.
AngelBabe, Thanks for the updated Info. (bout bloody time there was more than two though).
I’ve briefly read though the thread now, I think I might be able to provide a different perspective on this topic. I’m in a same sex relationship, but we still have the same roles that are generally split along gender lines. I think it’s just a natural way for a relationship to work.
Many thanks, laine. TYou don’t know the actual source of the figures??
I’m not a sociologist or anyting, but it would be interesting to know.
Is it a government document, or just figures held by your workplace locally?
The second world war led to a new wave of post war feminism I totally agree.
you really are incapabale of grasping an argument, aren’t you? look at my post again and you’ll see that I’m opposing that viewpoint.
Yes I really am “incapabale” of “grasping an argument”. Actually I can happily debate all day long and enjoy a healthy debate just like the next person, but just not with online know it alls, who fling out the insults when it doesn’t go their way, hence their aggressive stance on this site. Obviously “post war, ‘second wave’, feminism”, however it is described, is yet another subject in which you are a self proclaimed expert… Just like the EU referendum and every other subject that has been raised. I am more than happy with a serious debate, but that involves playing the ball, not the person.
If you are at all capable of genuine debate about an issue without throwing personal aspersions around, let me put it simply.
I argued against the idea that the Second World war was responsible for the change in women’s status. I said ti was in 1955 that the change began to occur in this country 9slightly earlier in the US).
I may be wrong. If you think I’m wrong, please give your evidence, as i was giving mine. We may then be able to move forward rationally – even agree to disagree.
So do you still think the Second World War was the cause of the rise of feminism? If so, please xplain why you think I’m wrong. Stick to the issue and we can call it a genuine debate and discussion. OK?
I’ve briefly read though the thread now, I think I might be able to provide a different perspective on this topic. I’m in a same sex relationship, but we still have the same roles that are generally split along gender lines. I think it’s just a natural way for a relationship to work.
Drac,
welcome back to the boards.
I’m so pleased that you’re out of hospital and recovered. There are precious few people here who take debate about issues seriously without getting involved in insults, and you are one of them.
I don’t really know about same-sex relationships. I can understand how gender roles work in them. But I also assume yours works on an emotional level, whereas male-female relationships in England have had problems.
But is that always the case? I have known same-sex relations, especially between women, were once prone to real tension and physical violence – there was a famous play called The Killing of Sister George in 1964. Maybe this has changed???
I’ve been wondering whether those same problems continue, despite the changing role of women in society in the last 40 years.
I’m not a feminist – I’m very critical of radical feminism in particular – but I also think it’s had a serious and positive role in changing women’s attitudes.
Why do you think it is such a cancer? I’m genuinely interested.
Drac,
welcome back to the boards.
I’m so pleased that you’re out of hospital and recovered. There are precious few people here who take debate about issues seriously without getting involved in insults, and you are one of them.
Thankyou.
But is that always the case? I have known same-sex relations, especially between women, were once prone to real tension and physical violence – there was a famous play called The Killing of Sister George in 1964. Maybe this has changed???
I don’t know if it’s always the case, she’s the only woman i’ve been with, for 7 years now. But from my perspective it doesn’t really seem so much like the role of the ‘man’ and the ‘woman’ are actually linked so much to their physical gender. I’m sure that it probably predisposes people towards cetain roles in a lot of cases. But in my relationship my girlfriend does all of the housework, cooking, cleaning, looking after our children ect. And it is my role to go out and earn money to support them. This is fairly typical of gender roles, but I don’t think I see myself as being a man in any regard.
I havent seen any statistics that indicate a higher rate of violence, and it’s not something that I have experienced personally.
I’m not a feminist – I’m very critical of radical feminism in particular – but I also think it’s had a serious and positive role in changing women’s attitudes.
Why do you think it is such a cancer? I’m genuinely interested.
I am refering specifically to modern femminism, I view it as a supremacy movement. I’m too tired right now to find specific evidence of this, but there are lots of examples and I will find some for you if you are interested. I don’t know a whole lot about historical femminism, but I know at worst the suffragettes were actual terrorists.
These threads are getting really heavy
Feminism has more than contributed to a fairer, more equal society here in the UK over the last 150 years or so. (In unison with the union movement and others) . Just of the top of my head and not in any particular chronological order.
Equal pay. Minimum wage. Sick pay. Holiday pay. Maternity leave. Pension rights. Mortgage rights. Voting rights. The NHS. Birth control. Abortion. Female MP’s. Access to the House of Lords. Equality (men and women) in same sex relationships. Access to the legal system. Bank accounts. Divorce rights. To name a few and all issues where women had no rights at all, or far fewer rights than men.
A pretty damn good record and the UK is a more cohesive, fairer and fluent society as a direct consequence. Not to say there is not still a long way to go, there is and to describe the feminist movement as “cancerous” is clearly ludicrous here in the UK, where ideological austerity is disproportionately targeting women and children. For example women in violent relationships had to prove those relationships are violent, before they could access full legal aid. This has now been overturned by the Court of Appeal. Just another example though how women are still treated like second class citizens.
“The Court of Appeal has today (18 February 2016) ruled that evidence requirements which have been operating to prevent survivors of domestic abuse from getting legal aid for family cases are unlawful.”
“Women are bearing the brunt of the government’s austerity drive in the public sector, according to figures showing that twice as many women as men have lost jobs in local government since 2010.”
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/jul/01/public-sector-austerity-measures-women
http://www.lse.ac.uk/genderInstitute/pdf/Confronting-Inequality.pdf
These threads are getting really heavy
Pete,
these boards have always been ehavy.
I found themvery ehavy over the summer, tryng to handle my dad’s death while every post of mine was met with the same three or four people caricaturing and abusing me.
That’s how it is. We take the rough wiht the smooth.
The mix of serious (sometiems verys erious) and jokey are what make these boards interesting.
I hope the serious side doesn’t put people off, any more than the jokey side should put off more serious posts.
Anyway, your humour is a valuable part of the boards (though not always lol)
and I look forward to drac’s reply to SHR.
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