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17 October, 2006 at 1:47 pm #244362
@forumhostpb wrote:
@emmalush wrote:
“….Britain is not a christian country…. “
Oh dear Emma – I suspect that you may have overstepped the mark a little bit with this statement, we shall see.
What constitutes a religious country?
17 October, 2006 at 5:32 pm #244363@Mr Bigstuff wrote:
Some muslim women see it as obligatory to wear a veil just like some Christians see it as obligatory to fast during Lent (my point being that not all people do it). So the wearing of a full veil (niqab I think it’s called) is seen by some muslim women as something that has to done. It’s futile to try to examine the Koran for teaching about wearing a veil. Even if it’s not in the koran it can still be part of the faith just like some aspects of Christian dogma are not in the Bible.
As I already stated, it doesn’t need to be worn with young children. Apparently the woman has now said that she wants to wear it if a male teacher is present which makes more sense. Personally, I think she would be better off teaching in a muslim school then she wouldn’t have these problems. As things stand it’s not a very practical situation for her to work there unless she wants to wear the more common muslim headscarf (hijab).
The BA case is different because wearing a cross is not a religious obligation and the dress code at BA says that all necklaces and other types of jewellery must not be visible. So this would apply to a necklace with a cross on it, a Star of David on it or a crescent. They probably allow staff to wear simple rings, so maybe she could just wear some kind of ring with a cross engraved on it or some kind of Christian writing.
Firstly Mr B. I havent examined the Koran, I work with a muslim woman, apart from the many press details lately, she too told me that nowhere in the Koran does it say women have to cover their faces. Yes sometimes it is dictated by the man, sometimes it just a choice some muslim women make themselves.
As Pats pointed out, this womans husband has said she wears it out of choice, he’s made no demands on her wearing it. I’m sorry if it offends some, but I really do think it’s just something else for SOME of them to moan about and has been blown out of all proportion.
As for the BA case, I said before, this woman has worked for them for 7 years. No one has made it clear whether this woman wore it where it could be seen as a ‘statement’ so to speak, or if BA are only making an issue out of it because of these recent events, it’d be interesting to find that one out.
As a matter of interest, in the area where I live, you would not believe! the amount of muslim women who are now walking around with not only just their eyes showing, but none of their faces showing at all, full veils!!! I cant believe i’m that blind in that I just haven’t noticed before.
17 October, 2006 at 6:01 pm #244364I haven’t seen ANY with full veils – headscarves yes, but not the veil.
18 October, 2006 at 8:15 pm #244365I think people are just being petty. If people want to wear wimpoles, niqabs, turbans, yarmulkes or whatever it really doesn’t bother me. They’re not asking you to wear it are they? So what’s all the fuss about? It’s a load of narrow-minded nonsense.
19 October, 2006 at 9:46 am #244366For those who think she shouldn’t be teaching at the school.
Many of the 529 boys and girls aged seven to 11 at Headfield Church of England Junior are from ethnic backgrounds where English is not the first language .
Note C of E school, so seems religion is not the issue, just dress code.
27 October, 2006 at 10:09 am #244367sorry but i wholeheartly agree with the removal of the veil would you like your young children to be taught by someone wearing a mask? i know i wouldnt 3 year olds could well be frightened of something that to them is not natural sorry but if she wants to wear it then go to a muslim school to teach :x :x :x
28 October, 2006 at 2:14 pm #244368Iv’e found it interesting that no one has yet mentioned (apologies if i’m wrong) but this woman was interviewed for the teaching assistant job by a man, and she wasn’t wearing a veil in the interview, but suddenly her argument is that she wishes to wear it in the presence of a man :roll:
Emma……………I agree with Esme, regarding the being able to put your head above the parapit etc., All I ask, is the same common respect as people of other faiths, whatever they may be, I really can’t see where you can find anything racist in what Esme said, but maybe you could enlighten me.
On Thursday night I watched ”Question Time” (yea i know, borin aint i :lol: ) where one of the topics discussed was the speech by Prince Charles, and his possible intention of,,,,,,at his coronation, changing constitution and hailing himself ”Defender of Faith” as opposed to THE faith. People are saying because he would be head of the C of E church, like his mother, he’d be wrong. The jurys still out on it far as i’m concerned, but I can see his point. Do you think this would be a racist move Emma, and if you do, why?
28 October, 2006 at 3:57 pm #244369With great respect Cas – Prince Charles did the ‘Defender of Faith” bit some years ago, and caused the inevitable squeals of outrage from the usual suspects.
The muslim teacher DID get interviewed without her full face covering and DID adopt it some considerable time after she took up her teaching appointment.
Is this simply her being disingenuous or did she get pressured into it by (male) family members, or maybe she found her God later on???
If it is acceptable to wear a full face covering to teach children, then why don’t all teachers wear Balaclava helmets???
28 October, 2006 at 4:00 pm #244370@forumhostpb wrote:
With great respect Cas – Prince Charles did the ‘Defender of Faith” bit some years ago, and caused the inevitable squeals of outrage from the usual suspects.
The muslim teacher DID get interviewed without her full face covering and DID adopt it some considerable time after she took up her teaching appointment.
Is this simply her being disingenuous or did she get pressured into it by (male) family members, or maybe she found her God later on???
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Crash helmets maybe with the behaviour of a lot of children in clases now and teachers having missiles launched at em.Sorry PB ….. I didn’t know that, I only heard about it on the programme the other night and I just wondered how pple felt about it.
28 October, 2006 at 4:15 pm #244371Cas – as I recall from the first time that Prince Charles floated this so-called idea, it was eventually passed off as him having a tree-hugger’s moment. He had obviously just been talking with the plants in his kitchen garden and fretting about the environment, and then came out with this rubbish.
Bottom line is, in spite of all his public agonising, he ain’t going to have any choice in his hereditary title. It is conferred on him by the Established Church and if he faffs around with tradition he will get a good slapping from the establishment.
The bottom line here is that whether the New Labour apologists like it or not, and whether the multiculturalists get over excited about it or not – this country is still a ‘Protestant’ country; the Established Church is the Church of England (or Anglicans if you prefer); and the reigning Monarch is still its titular head. The Act of Succession STILL prevents the monarch from marrying a Roman Catholic and in spite of all the moaning and groaning from the Pope and his mates, this will undoubtedly continue well into the next Century
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