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I think a lot of all this “wearing” of things to do with religion is OTT so many people will now be accused of being a racist and it will all kick off out of control. The world IS going mad.
@becky wrote:
I think a lot of all this “wearing” of things to do with religion is OTT so many people will now be accused of being a racist and it will all kick off out of control. The world IS going mad.
Think it already has Becky :roll: :wink:Like Cath55 tho, (hiya cath) I wear a cross and chain too, it’s not mine actually it’s my sons, he got two, both christening presents, he’s worn one and iv’e worn the other ever since. The only times iv’e ever taken it off is when iv’e been in hospital for op’s, other than that I wear it all the time. If these people are offended by it then it’s their problem, not mine. There are plenty of these veiled women where I live, I don’t demand that they remove them, so I don’t see why anyone would, or should, demand that I remove my cross, simple as :wink:
1, The teacher was breaking no rules. albeit misguided.
it was made clear to her that the children found it a lot easier if they could see her face when she was speaking to them! her own husband said when interviewed that the wearing of a veil was not compulsory!.Shes in the wrong and it will be found out aswell, she wont get money from it maybe she may teach again in another school somewhere who knows.
as for the BA woman is it within her faith to wear a cross? not really but why didnt she wear it under her shirt? somewhere not visible, she worked there for years she shoudof known the rules surely?
both as bad as each other im afraid
@token_male wrote:
Shes in the wrong and it will be found out aswell, she wont get money from it maybe she may teach again in another school somewhere who knows.
as for the BA woman is it within her faith to wear a cross? not really but why didnt she wear it under her shirt? somewhere not visible, she worked there for years she shoudof known the rules surely?
both as bad as each other im afraid
Yea but that was my point Token, had she only just started wearing it, had she only just started to wear it visibly to make a statement so to speak, if she had then yea, i’d agree with you, she knows the rules and flouted them. If tho, BA have only taken issue with it because of recent events, then theyre the ones in the wrong.
As for the teacher and her not winning her case, well in today’s society, who knows. Remains to be seen :roll:
Some muslim women see it as obligatory to wear a veil just like some Christians see it as obligatory to fast during Lent (my point being that not all people do it). So the wearing of a full veil (niqab I think it’s called) is seen by some muslim women as something that has to done. It’s futile to try to examine the Koran for teaching about wearing a veil. Even if it’s not in the koran it can still be part of the faith just like some aspects of Christian dogma are not in the Bible.
As I already stated, it doesn’t need to be worn with young children. Apparently the woman has now said that she wants to wear it if a male teacher is present which makes more sense. Personally, I think she would be better off teaching in a muslim school then she wouldn’t have these problems. As things stand it’s not a very practical situation for her to work there unless she wants to wear the more common muslim headscarf (hijab).
The BA case is different because wearing a cross is not a religious obligation and the dress code at BA says that all necklaces and other types of jewellery must not be visible. So this would apply to a necklace with a cross on it, a Star of David on it or a crescent. They probably allow staff to wear simple rings, so maybe she could just wear some kind of ring with a cross engraved on it or some kind of Christian writing.
“Cas wrote:We’ve all been made aware this week by many people, that NOWHERE in the Koran does it say that women have to cover their faces, it’s personal choice made by them. So maybe Ms Azmi, would like to point out where and how her religion clearly forbids it.Cas
The choice to wear a veil is not made by the woman, it is made for her by the man as dictated by Sharia Law (which was written by…you guessed it….men!)
Much of Islamic extremism, like Christian or any other extremism, takes an ideology, a faith or a belief and twists it to appear supportive of their destrcutive aims
So what we’re saying here is that women seem to be treated as subordinates to men in the Islamic world and are forced to cover themselves up partially or fully.
Well why don’t we have a similar system in this country? For example we could insist that all fat / obese Northern women should wear some sort of body covering black garment that hangs straight down from the shoulders – this is to disguise their Michelin tyres.
How about making all the ugly ones wear Balaclava helmets as well? Maybe we could only let them outside in poor light conditions?
What do you think guys – is this idea a runner?
@slayer wrote:
“Cas wrote:We’ve all been made aware this week by many people, that NOWHERE in the Koran does it say that women have to cover their faces, it’s personal choice made by them. So maybe Ms Azmi, would like to point out where and how her religion clearly forbids it.Cas
The choice to wear a veil is not made by the woman, it is made for her by the man as dictated by Sharia Law (which was written by…you guessed it….men!)
Much of Islamic extremism, like Christian or any other extremism, takes an ideology, a faith or a belief and twists it to appear supportive of their destrcutive aims[/quote
err.excuse me slayer…..i posted earlier stating that the husband was interviewed and stated it WAS HER choice to wear it. no pressure from him. :roll:
@forumhostpb wrote:
So what we’re saying here is that women seem to be treated as subordinates to men in the Islamic world and are forced to cover themselves up partially or fully.
Well why don’t we have a similar system in this country? For example we could insist that all fat / obese Northern women should wear some sort of body covering black garment that hangs straight down from the shoulders – this is to disguise their Michelin tyres.
How about making all the ugly ones wear Balaclava helmets as well? Maybe we could only let them outside in poor light conditions?
What do you think guys – is this idea a runner?
ditto the same for men…..cover their beer guts.builders ar/ses……..comb over haircuts……..bad teeth………..and what bliss!.we wouldnt have to be subjected to them scratching their ba/lls in public anymore!
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