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1 December, 2011 at 8:43 am #483896
Even money says that those so vehmently against the strike are those self employed tax evading know it alls, who haven’t had the good sense to provide themselves with any form of pension,
Therefore they begrudge anyone who has worked and PAID into a PENSION CONTRACT all their working lives.
If a builder did an extension and it was an agreed price of say £10,000 would it be alright if when the job was finished The client only paid £6,000 because he had messed up his finances? :?1 December, 2011 at 9:28 am #483897@A.Groanup wrote:
@thin ice wrote:
even money says the majority of
those with such stong views and are pro the strikes
arnt in gainfull employment:evil:
I think you would lose your bet, Lets face it if you aren’t employed why would you need to strike? :lol:
cus like strikers life long malingerers belong to thesome thing for nothing culture that grips this country :P
1 December, 2011 at 9:35 am #483898@A.Groanup wrote:
Even money says that those so vehmently against the strike are those self employed tax evading know it alls, who haven’t had the good sense to provide themselves with any form of pension,
Therefore they begrudge anyone who has worked and PAID into a PENSION CONTRACT all their working lives.
If a builder did an extension and it was an agreed price of say £10,000 would it be alright if when the job was finished The client only paid £6,000 because he had messed up his finances? :?ill agree im self employed
and i do have a private pension fund
but like all pensions it wont live up to its expectations
but i cant strike can i
i of course am i fine up standing citizen and would never evade tax
in fact i am an unpaid tax collecter for hm customs and excise
and i have to pay an accountant for the privalge of it
unfortuanatly many customers think we are fair game to shaft over payment of an invoice
nearly all try to beat us down in price
i mean how would they feel on pay day if there boss said hey
lets have some discount
and have they ever tried to get the price reduced in the supermarket
i think notany way well done a groan up
didnt think i was going to get a decent bite on this thread :P
ps did you hear what jeremy clarkson said
he suggested all strikes should be shot
bit severe may be but i kind of agree
:evil:1 December, 2011 at 9:37 am #483899@thin ice wrote:
@A.Groanup wrote:
@thin ice wrote:
even money says the majority of
those with such stong views and are pro the strikes
arnt in gainfull employment:evil:
I think you would lose your bet, Lets face it if you aren’t employed why would you need to strike? :lol:
cus like strikers life long malingerers belong to thesome thing for nothing culture that grips this country :P
I hope you had the good grace to put your children if you have any .. Through the private education system being as you hold such low esteem of our teachers.
I imagine your wife will have had a private room while giving birth to them, After all a malingering midwife just would not do eh?1 December, 2011 at 9:42 am #483900@thin ice wrote:
@A.Groanup wrote:
Even money says that those so vehmently against the strike are those self employed tax evading know it alls, who haven’t had the good sense to provide themselves with any form of pension,
Therefore they begrudge anyone who has worked and PAID into a PENSION CONTRACT all their working lives.
If a builder did an extension and it was an agreed price of say £10,000 would it be alright if when the job was finished The client only paid £6,000 because he had messed up his finances? :?ill agree im self employed
and i do have a private pension fund
but like all pensions it wont live up to its expectations
but i cant strike can i
i of course am i fine up standing citizen and would never evade tax
in fact i am an unpaid tax collecter for hm customs and excise
and i have to pay an accountant for the privalge of it
unfortuanatly many customers think we are fair game to shaft over payment of an invoice
nearly all try to beat us down in price
i mean how would they feel on pay day if there boss said hey
lets have some discount
and have they ever tried to get the price reduced in the supermarket
i think notany way well done a groan up
didnt think i was going to get a decent bite on this thread :P
ps did you hear what jeremy clarkson said
he suggested all strikes should be shot
bit severe may be but i kind of agreeNot a bite as such more a sneer at your thinking.
You made your choice of employment, They made theirs, They entered their pension contract and upheld it, The government change the rules to suit. :evil:
:evil:1 December, 2011 at 10:44 am #483901@thin ice wrote:
ah now lucy
a typical public service employee may be ? YES
over paid and lazy Lazy – YES, Overpaid – NO
instead of getting on with your work your on here posting at the tax payers expense :P Not at all, i’m that good that i get my work done AND able to post here, with no extra expense to tax payers.1 December, 2011 at 11:13 am #483902@A.Groanup wrote:
Even money says that those so vehmently against the strike are those self employed tax evading know it alls, who haven’t had the good sense to provide themselves with any form of pension,
Therefore they begrudge anyone who has worked and PAID into a PENSION CONTRACT all their working lives.
If a builder did an extension and it was an agreed price of say £10,000 would it be alright if when the job was finished The client only paid £6,000 because he had messed up his finances? :?So you attack those that stereotype public sector workers with another stereotype?
1 December, 2011 at 1:41 pm #483903@jen_jen wrote:
@A.Groanup wrote:
Even money says that those so vehmently against the strike are those self employed tax evading know it alls, who haven’t had the good sense to provide themselves with any form of pension,
Therefore they begrudge anyone who has worked and PAID into a PENSION CONTRACT all their working lives.
If a builder did an extension and it was an agreed price of say £10,000 would it be alright if when the job was finished The client only paid £6,000 because he had messed up his finances? :?So you attack those that stereotype public sector workers with another stereotype?
A pension contract that is unsustainable.. and a burden on tax payers…… there is simply not enough money in the pot. Private pensions have lost value not just in this country but throughout the world why do the public sector feel they are immune to the problems the rest od us have to face??… common sense should prevail here… if people conclude you are greedy it maybe you should consider what the rest of the developed world is having to accept.
1 December, 2011 at 2:34 pm #483904oh Mrs t… ( sighs) .. people are not being Greedy. They entered this contract of agreement,and had money taken off thir personal wages every week. So that in their old age, they would not have to scrimp. NOW the govt comes along and tells them its not worth the papers its printed on. And how we are skint.
Now look at bankers bonuses etc.Its the banks that are crippling this country. Plus the fact there is billions spent on wars that have sweet F.A to do with us.
People HAVE to stand up and be counted NOW, as next thing it will be ..” oh we are halving your wages, that ok?”..Yesterday was a show of unity against this kind of thing ever happening again. as the song says.
If we tolerate this, then our children will be next.
1 December, 2011 at 3:18 pm #483905@mrs_teapot wrote:
A pension contract that is unsustainable.. and a burden on tax payers…… there is simply not enough money in the pot. Private pensions have lost value not just in this country but throughout the world why do the public sector feel they are immune to the problems the rest od us have to face??… common sense should prevail here… if people conclude you are greedy it maybe you should consider what the rest of the developed world is having to accept.
You could argue that everything spent out the taxpayers’ pockets is a burden. We should be suspicious of the government’s motives. Public servants are taxpayers too – more diligent through PAYE, VAT and other duties than many of the self employed claiming the moral high ground while making use of every possible exemptions and more.
This is not a competition though. It’s funny how this government describes criticism of the rich as ‘envy’ and excuses huge salaries and bonuses on the basis of attracting talent, but then expresses what can only be called envy of people looking for a proportionately comfortable pension that they were promised and paid for. Private pensions have suffered largely because they were paid into funds which were vulnerable to raids by investors, shareholders and employers, either through greed or to compensate for financial mismanagement.
Unless two wrongs now make a right, it is at the very least dishonourable for the Government to effectively raid civil service pensions as a gesture to cover up their own and previous governments’ ineptitude – a gesture because they’re bound to spend any money saved on something stupid.
Public pensions, although contributed to and accounted for, come out of current tax receipts. There is no “pot” or fund and the pensions are liable for tax when paid out. The contributions and the “affordability” are in many ways notional but represent an agreement with the government and people of what is still the 4th richest country in the world.
It seems we can afford emergency Royal Weddings and that it’s OK to combat the “deficit” with a revamped student loan scheme which we later admit will make no bloody difference at all to the nation’s income other than burden millions of ordinary people.
In UK Government-speak “unaffordable” means “I don’t think we should spend money on this” it doesn’t mean the money is not there, as we’ll all find out come the next big government folly – Olympics anyone?
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