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Even on here a common idiots mantra seems to pop up quite often, the one where people will say something along the lines of “you’ve never experienced xyz so your opinion is worthless” lol
That always makes me chuckle, especially as on quite a few topics people who HAVE had “experience” of the “whatever” are the least valid people to ever try to voice an opinion as they cant manage to do so without it being biased, emotive, illogical, bitter, slanted, blinkered, narrow minded AND only pertaining to their one singular experience AND only from their perspective where that “whatever” in most cases would have included at least one other person with their own perspective
Expanding the lunacy of a such a statement further, people who have been through whatever the “thing” might have been will in many cases have seen medical and psychological experts, people who are the foremost sources of knowledge, advice and treatment for that “whatever”, all or most of whom WONT have experienced it first hand either
Often someone who hasnt had experience of something has a much more sensible, rounded, balanced view of it, an exposure to many view points from multiple perspectives and no personal or emotive baggage to cloud, taint, slant or bias their views on the topic like someone who has been through the “whatever”
Yet I find it both surprisingly and alarmingly frequent that people will both spout such inanity and that others will actually treat it as being something worhtwhile that has been said
Mankind is screwed :lol: :lol: :lol:
This is true. Experience obviously gives added weight to a didcussion but if we haven’t experienced something it doesn’t mean that we are not qualified to talk about it. I have never been tortured and I’ve never tortured anyone. Does that mean that I shouldn’t express any views on torture? I am not a muslim – dose that mean I can’t talk about radicalisation of islam?
Speaking without experience is not the same thing as speaking without knowledge. We get people with no depth of knowledege and little grasp of the facts spouting in the media about things like climate change. But you can have informed knowledge without having direct experience. The Bugatti Veyron supercar has forced its way into the minds of petrolheads by having statistical superlatives that are unlikely ever to be exceeded – 250 mph top speed, £800,000 price…. etc. Yet few people will ever drive, or even see one of these cars.
I suppose you then have to quantify what “knowledge” is tho
A muslim taught by a fanatic will claim to have knowledge, but an alleged moderate muslim will disagree and claim THEY have knowledge
Someone who is an expert in the field of planetary climate will claim to have decades of irrefuteable proof about how our climate works and what affects it, but someone who reads the guardian will claim theyre a loon and that mankind causes it
Someone who has had fast track counselling for rape will claim to have knowledge even tho it completely contradicts the foundation of psychology and sexuality and the diversity of mankind
Someone who’s only exposure to aids is the media will claim its a disease and a virus, yet most of the worlds scientific community claim otherwise
So what exactly IS knowledge? Knowledge itself is most of the time just a view or agenda, experience is infact in more cases than not a limiting rather than a broadening thing
Having lived through cancer, rape or a heart op doesnt make someone an expert on the topic even tho most would claim it lifts their “knowledge”‘s worth above that of those who havent lived through them and will as you just did claim the person who hasnt been blinkered by the experience lacks “knowledge” by virtue of lacking experience
The value and worth of “informed” knowledge is only as worthy as the source and diversity it was gleaned from. Gaining knowledge and information from a closed minded blinkered source doesnt equate in any way to being “informed” on a general topic, merely on THAT persons view which is the antipathy of actually being informed
An informed view IMO on most topics seems to be closer to a wider more diverse exposure of many views from many different perspectives, not one heard from one or more sources that all sing the same tune, thats more akin to a religion than being informed
People who cling to the delusion of specific isolated narrow spectrum information or experience as having worth also deal in specifics
Someone being burgled as a for instance will have been through many of the same thoughts and feelings as someone who has been raped, but people speaking from a closed perspective will want to claim to be an expert and wont accept any similarity as being valid despite many scientific disciplines in psychology, advertising, criminology and others only being able to function BECAUSE of overlaps and similarities
“Having assembled one piece of flat pack furniture the expert carpenter does not make” :lol:
Well of course Uber you are right!! My experience of people like you (those that I have experienced in an unbiased way of course) always are :wink: :lol:
@krazykristie wrote:
I agree, I have lost count of the numerous tales of people on other message boards I have used in the past where their experience suddenly makes them the only one that has the foremost insight and accurate advice and is the only one with the right to be able to post about it. I don’t want to read about Aunty Beattie’s experience of piles or Fred’s experience of gout. There is a reason why we have doctors and psychologists. Given that I have yet to meet genuine doctors and the like on a run-of-the-mill message board, I wouldn’t take heed to any advice given online.
Well Excuse me !!! But I`m the resident Doctor here amongst other things …. :)
I’d be happy to settle for being the resident slime chute examiner ……
OOPS, I meant gaenocologist
But only because I am bored of manual work and quite fancy the idea of wearinga shirt, tie and splash proof goggles and having an orifice job for a change :shock: :D
@ubermik wrote:
I’d be happy to settle for being the resident slime chute examiner ……
OOPS, I meant gaenocologist
But only because I am bored of manual work and quite fancy the idea of wearinga shirt, tie and splash proof goggles and having an orifice job for a change :shock: :D
Yes theres nothing better than having a “hands on job ” :lol:
@ubermik wrote:
I’d be happy to settle for being the resident slime chute examiner ……
OOPS, I meant gaenocologist
But only because I am bored of manual work and quite fancy the idea of wearinga shirt, tie and splash proof goggles and having an orifice job for a change :shock: :D
eeuuuuchhhhh!!!! Do please stick to waffling Uber, your good at it!! :wink: :lol: 8)
I have to second that as your winning the poll as THE BEST Waffler :lol:
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