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Sikh ‘ceremonial daggers’ should be allowed in schools, says judge
Sikh pupils should be allowed to carry ceremonial daggers, Britain’s first Asian judge has said, following a case in which a 14-year-old was excluded for insisting on bringing his Kirpan blade to school.
Is he mad ffs
This is a christian country and has christian laws which should be obeyed by any citizen whatever their religion. And can you imagine the conversion to the Sikh religion when little scrotes find out it’s ok to carry a dagger. This is sheer madness, whether it’s carried under the clothing or not, knife carriers dont generally carry a knife on public display anyway so the point is irrelevant
That Kenty just doesnt care does she….give the lad a plastic one woman…. :lol: :wink:
i saw the interview on the tv by this judge his main argument was that in all his research he has never known of a ceromonial knife being used in a stabbing…..!!!
Its utter madness that after all the stabbings and battles with knife crime we have going on in this country that someone can suggest such a thing. The law is the law knives are illegal there is no need or excuse to be carring one.
Jurors are chosen to decide verdicts on court cases because they are non biased. So why isn’t it done with judges when such decisions are made? I strongly feel had it been a non sikh judge making this ruling he would have found it unacceptable. We live in an age where knife crime is rife on our streets. So he says there has never been a case where the kirpan has been used to stab someone or in a crime, so what? It’s publicity like this that highlights the fact these baptised sikhs are carrying the kirpans therefore if that person themselves were not going to use it, it could be snatched off him/her, and who’s to say if that baptised sikh ever came across a gang they would use it for protection or even use it as a weapon, baptised sikhs are not perfect.
The reason behind wearing the kirpan is that it is one of the 5 k’s a baptised sikh must have with him at all times. My mum is a baptised sikh and there have been many occasion where she has had to take off her kirpan and wear a small one around a chain round her neck. In fact she has 2 of the 5 k’s pendant size for such situations. So why can’t these children wear such pendants at school? You still have all 5 k’s on your person.
So its been decided its ok for him to wear it to school. What does he do when its PE or swimming? Does he miss out on the lessons? Is he allowed to wear it? Where are the health and safety brigade now?
I am not a baptised sikh but I am a sikh and I know for a fact there are compromises which dont compromise.Pete its not that easy to become a baptised Sikh, and I can probably say for sure not any Tom Dick or Harry would be baptised lightly, so I don’t think that would be the issue here….but I suppose many could pretend they are baptised but then they would have to wear the turbans :lol:
This is a christian country and has christian laws
As an atheist I would dispute the fact that we have Christian laws, most of the laws here have been made on the basis of protecting people. There are a few archaic laws that go back to the days when the Church of England was a lot more powerful than it is now.
I do not think that Sikh daggers should be an exception to the knife laws. Fair enough, an exception was made for turbans many years ago vis a vis uniforms, but daggers are different. Surely Sikhs could permit a ceremonial symbolic knife that is harmless.
An early precedent, in a way, is when skinheads were stopped from wearing hob-nail ‘bovver boots’ in the 1970’s – which gave rise to them adopting Doc Martens instead.
I didnt mean christian laws as such, though thou shalt not steal kill etc fit the bill (cue theme music in my head) Christian with a small c. The judge is trying to make this a religious/race issue when it’s clearly not, it’s a sense issue. As kenty says perhaps a pendant type adornment would serve the same purpose.
The very same law the thieving politicans want to take advantage of using the bill of rights to escape justice….. :x
Pete I think your absolutely right, it’s madness, especially in todays climate of knife crime. That’s not to say that this boy will use it maliciously, but theres a first time for everything, and to use the excuse that it’s never been known to happen so far, is sheer lunacy. You know tho Pete, that no matter how long this plays out, or how much of the tax payers money is thrown at it in appeals, the judgement will stand, I can already hear the cries of the human rights brigade :roll:
If kents mum wears a pendant sized Kirpan because she understands the problems, and in wearing the pendant, she’s still abiding by her baptism rules (i’m sorry if that’s the wrong term), then why can’t this boy!! His parents would perhaps then be seen as being reasonable at least, instead they’re just being pedantic and wholly un-reasonable!
In that case i demand my “rights” to wear the sgian dubh down my sock. As part of My National Highland Dress.
what a ridiculous argument. surely NO knives at all should be worn.
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