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I have to differ on the question of whether being trans-gendered is an illness or not, though I have no expert knowledge of the biology involved.
It’s an ilness called gender dysphoria.
This is not in doubt or contraversial.
Trans-gendered women don’t have the full equipment yet – yet – but simply for them to identify as a woman is good enough as far as I’m concerned.
Or ever, it’s far beyond anything that exists in current medical science.
There is a series on ITV on Sunday nights called Butterfly, about the problems faced by a young working class lad at school who wants to be a girl, and the different reactions – from cruel to encouraging – which she meets. Episode 2 is tomorrow night. Worth watching.
Children have no idea what they want to be.
Most boys think they want to be trains.
my understanding is that peop0le are not allowed to change their hormones etc before full puberty, no matter how much they want to change. I may be wrong. I’m hardly an expert on this.
Wrong, it is actively encouraged by the education system and the NHS.
I have to differ on the question of whether being trans-gendered is an illness or not, though I have no expert knowledge of the biology involved.
It’s an ilness called gender dysphoria.
This is not in doubt or contraversial.
Hardly. It’s gender dysphoria, but to call it an illness is to start from the assumption that they are sick for thinking they’re in the wrong body.
To call it sick is a value judgement by psychiatrists, who love to play God and make value judgements.
American psychiatrists who make value judgements formed a special test in 1938 – the Minnesota model? – on whether an employee is normal or not. If a woman had been raped, it was assumed that she was abnormal and had provoked the man. If an employee was left-wing, it was assumed that s/he had a totalitarian mentality.
You may agree with this value-judgement, but the only reason it’s called scientific is because it was made by very biassed scientists.
A few years ago, they had to change the model to delete rape records, but the political test is still there. If you’re left-wing, you are a mental deviant. If you agree with this, then it’s your bias. The Soviet authorities had similar scientific proof that anyone who disagreed with them should be put in a mental hospital because they were scientifically mad.
It’s used by British bastards, oh sorry, psychiatrists now.
If you’re left-wing, you are a mental deviant.
I don’t see anything wrong with this.
If you’re left-wing, you are a mental deviant.
I don’t see anything wrong with this.
Neither did the American psychiatrists.
I doubt that many of the Soviet psychiatrists saw anything wrong with the idea that anyone who was critical of the totalitarian system must have been brain damaged either.
Neither did the American psychiatrists.
I was joking, but many left wing activists do appear to be emotionally unstable.
If an employee was left-wing, it was assumed that s/he had a totalitarian mentality.
Which the exception of anarcho-communists, this is pretty much universally true.
”Hardly. It’s gender dysphoria, but to call it an illness is to start from the assumption that they are sick for thinking they’re in the wrong body.
To call it sick is a value judgement by psychiatrists, who love to play God and make value judgements.”
Gender dysphoria is a recognised medical condition. It’s not a mental illness, although it can obviously affect someones mental health.
There are some recognised physical causes for the condition, normally hormonal. Hormones that trigger the development of biological sex may not work properly on the brain, reproductive organs and genitals, causing differences between them. The foetus may have an insensitivity to hormones in the womb, or it can be an imbalance of hormones during the development of the foetus , possibly caused by the mother taking medication or drugs. There are other more rare conditions which can cause this but I’m sure you get the picture. It is a real illness and not just about quacks playing god.
Gender dysphoria is a recognised medical condition. It’s not a mental illness, although it can obviously affect someones mental health. There are some recognised physical causes for the condition, normally hormonal. Hormones that trigger the development of biological sex may not work properly on the brain, reproductive organs and genitals, causing differences between them.
That is like saying that depression isn’t a mental illness because it can be caused by not having the right balence of endorphines.
The perception that your body does not belong to you, and the rejection of it is psychological, not purely biological.
”That is like saying that depression isn’t a mental illness because it can be caused by not having the right balence of endorphines.
The perception that your body does not belong to you, and the rejection of it is psychological, not purely biological.”
I agree, The Term Gender Dysphoria though is classed as a physical condition , in medical terms. It isn’t classed as a ‘mental illness’ but a physical one, however the mental impact it has upon a sufferer is acknowledged and also treated, and yes obviously it can cause mental illness, probably does to some extent in most sufferers. There are various ways of treating the symptoms, both psychologically and physically, but yes the two go hand in hand. My point was it is an illness as you said, people are not ‘sick’ because they think they are in the wrong body, they are sick because they have an illness.
No they are castrated men
I googled gender dysphoria, and found out that it was a pseudo-scientific – ooops, sorry, a posh term for someone who feels that they’re in the wrong body.
I used the NHS website – https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/
Right. now we know. Trans-gendered people are people who feel they’ve been in the wrong body.
I have to strongly disagree, though, with Ms M on one point.
My point was it is an illness as you said, people are not ‘sick’ because they think they are in the wrong body, they are sick because they have an illness.
The NHS are actually quite careful to describe it as a condition, not an illness, albeit a condition which can require medical treatment if the person so wishes.
“Gender dysphoria is a recognised medical condition, for which treatment is sometimes appropriate. It’s not a mental illness.”
They are not sick. There is – no, there can be an unusual distribution of hormones, or maybe not. The NHS is again very careful about this. “Gender development is complex and there are many possible variations that cause a mismatch between a person’s biological sex and their gender identity, making the exact cause of gender dysphoria unclear.”
Why are they so careful?
Lefty bullying will be the response of some bigots. Atheistic sin will be the response of Christian bigots.
The fact is that for a long time homosexuality was regarded as a sickness. The Christian bigots have long regarded homosexuality as a moral sickness, a perversion contra naturam. No way can you argue with these people. Believe me, I’ve tried quite recently, and am looked on with pity by them for not being able to understand God’s will.
When I was young, homosexuality was decriminalised, partly as a result of a long campaign by Anglican clergymen who were convinced, like MS M on trans, that homosexuality was not a moral sickness, but a physical sickness caused by hormonal imbalance. Many still hold to this, and many churches pressurise Christian homosexuals into therapy, psychological and physical, into becoming ‘normal’.
I regard these people, and their pseudo-scientific arguments, as being cruel, even inhuman. Homosexuality is a condition, not an illness of any kind. There is nothing wrong with homosexuals, and the homophobia that is still alive in the world (and sometimes in jc) has the effect of making people who are just different from the banal norm feel isolated, deeply hurt and guilty, and sometimes suicidal. Jeannette Winterson’s novel, Oranges Are not the Only Fruit, is an example of these effects caused by a bunch of fundamentalist bigots on a girl in their family.
gay and trans are normal, but different. The first is more common, but so what? They arn’t illnesses. Some certainly have physical causes for their condition, but so what? It’s a condition. They’re people, and they have to live with their feelings and learn to be happy with their feelings. They can find happiness in different ways, but let them find happiness, don’t bully and cut them as they try by calling them perverts or mentally sick or physically sick. The last is as bad as the first two, because it gives the illusion of science to make the victim feel horrible.
So if a trans wants to be called a woman, wants to be known as she, then as far as I am concerned she is a woman. If the trans wants to be known as he, and to be called a man, then as far a I am concerned he is a man.
The trans – no, the woman – in my lectio group has been accepted as part of a small Christian community of women and seems so happy compared with the last time I saw her. That makes me feel happy too, believe it or not.
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