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This is actually false.
The Sexual Offences Act 2003 defines rape as:
“A person (A) commits an offence if— (a)he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis, (b)B does not consent to the penetration, and c)A does not reasonably believe that B consents.”
This clearly states that rape is only applicable for forced penitration with a penis, specifically by someone with a male identity.
OOOooooo That sounds familiar …. didn’t Ge and I both say that earlier
Sorry Drac, you aren’t allowed to post actual facts on this thread…. If you do you are told you are a pedant, that your point is irrelevant, that you don’t understand anything and are basically treated with disdain and rudeness. You just have to try and work out what people actually mean by total guess work…. odd huh ? !!
OOOooooo That sounds familiar …. didn’t Ge and I both say that earlier
If you did then I didn’t see it.
page 9 , i stated the facts Ge stated the law…. anyway all irrelevant apparently….
I think I have finally got the guist of it after a little bit of reading but I am happy to be corrected. Transgender people have more psychological problems than transexuals with coming to terms with what gender they are because they are more likely to be conflicted what gender they are because of socially constructed definitions of gender identity. They can also and often do suffer from gender dysphoria as a consequence. This may or may not lead to gender reassignment therapy and or surgery in the longer term because the conflict is purely psychological rather than based on physical appearance and the need to change that appearance.
Transexual people have no such psychological issues or far less because they are already certain of their gender and opt for therapy including surgery to alter their physical appearance to match their known gender. Transexuals apparently also do not like the label gender dysphoria being applied to them for those reasons.
It also seems fairly obvious how cunning psychopathic sexual predators have managed to deceive professionals processing them in order to get placed in womens jails and continue their deviant behaviour.
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and there was me thinking transvestites are just men who want to dress in women’s clothing, many of them thinking that they are women trapped in a man’s body.
And there was me thinking that transvestites and transsexuals are all seen as trans-gendered.
Oh well, none of them are posting here, though there does seem to be an expertise in their motivation which I really don’t have.
gawd, imagine a transgendered person in jc. *shudders at their reaction
It’s an illness, the NHS are lying to comply with political correctnes.
The fact is that for a long time homosexuality was regarded as a sickness.
On what rational grounds can you prove that it isn’t an illness?
It’s clearly an abnormality from the norm.
gay and trans are normal, but different. The first is more common, but so what? They arn’t illnesses.
Both are abnormal, and illnesses to varying degrees.
To me, this is a reasoned argument, though not one I agree with at all. I’ve been meaning to answer it for some time, but somehow got waylaid.
It’s easy to answer, and at the same time very difficult, so let me start by saying that
your argument is on the same level as paige’s and mine. There’s nothing scientific about any of them. They’re to do with the values we hold about sexual diversion from the norm.
To *Paige (see below), they are a violation of God’s Law. God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve, as Alan Partridge put it once. Most Christians don’t accept such a literal interpretation any more, but most still believe sexual divergences from the norm are wrong. Sex is a very wonderful and beautiful thing, and the less said about it the better. Not my view, but can I disprove it? No, just as they can’t actually prove it. Why? You believe it or you don’t.
*I am assuming that this is your view, Paige. If I’m wrong, then I really do apologise and look forward to your correction.
Drac, you’re on the same level as paige in that sense. You say sexual divergences are an illness because they’re sexual divergences. They’re not normal, and therefore they are illnesses. It’s a tautological argument, not a scientific one.
The proof of your argument is already given in the premises, which makes it circular, tautological. Your premise is that anything which is not in accord with most people is an illness, so gay and transgendered are illnesses.
I can’t disprove the argument that being gay or being transgendered is an illness because I can’t disprove any tautological argument.
I give my opinion that being gay, transvestite or transsexual is a divergence form the norm but not an illness. If anyone wants to identify as a woman, that’s fine with me. many seem to need very badly to identify as a woman, and that’s also fine by me.
Those are my values. I make no pretence at their being scientific, or give arguments about hormones, chromosomes, and the social construction of gender to try to give a scientific dressing to my view.
OOOooooo That sounds familiar …. didn’t Ge and I both say that earlier
If you did then I didn’t see it.
now why does that not surprise me?
I answered it by pointing out that rape is a common sense definition, not just a statutory question. If you are penetrated with an instrument, then by statutory law it isn’t rape but a sexual assault (apparently).
As jc isn’t a court of law, then the common sense definition does for me and most people.
”and there was me thinking transvestites are just men who want to dress in women’s clothing, many of them thinking that they are women trapped in a man’s body.”
That whole statement makes no sense … do they just like dressing up ? or are they trapped in the wrong genders body ?
You have no clue do you? you rattle off words like transgender, transexual, then introduce Transvestite at the last minute in the hope to try and save a ridiculous argument, that I’m not even sure you know what your’e arguing about ???
”And there was me thinking that transvestites and transsexuals are all seen as trans-gendered.”
The more you say about this subject the sillier you look. I’m pretty sure most are bored of this nonsense now, I know I am.
Ridiculous.
Done
”and there was me thinking transvestites are just men who want to dress in women’s clothing, many of them thinking that they are women trapped in a man’s body.”
That whole statement makes no sense … do they just like dressing up ? or are they trapped in the wrong genders body ?
You have no clue do you? you rattle off words like transgender, transexual, then introduce Transvestite at the last minute in the hope to try and save a ridiculous argument, that I’m not even sure you know what your’e arguing about ???
”And there was me thinking that transvestites and transsexuals are all seen as trans-gendered.”
The more you say about this subject the sillier you look. I’m pretty sure most are bored of this nonsense now, I know I am.
Ridiculous.
Done
Actually, I stopped reading most of the stuff you and gerry wrote about this a while ago now. It struck me as too personal.
I’ve explained what I meant a while ago, but you obviously paid no attention to it.
I was addressing Drac.
Ha personal .. yet again nice try… Ive said nothing personal about you, or been abusive, I called a post elongated and off on a tangent, on the other hand, you have called me names, ridiculed me, dismissed any points I made, dropped out personal info about me TWICE ! then act like a victim… I see a picture here that I don’t much like. again…. DONE
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