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Leaving a child of that age alone in a bath is not much better than this really from a safety point of view
As for the telly, bit retarded if it could topple, and a 4 year old shouldnt be toddling about unsupervised anyway so the lie in IS still totally irresponsible
So rather than stating a counter you’ve just listed more equally bad examples of parenting, more similar examples of where a parent IS to blame for being lapse
Even where its a momentary lapse or an oversight it DOESNT mean the parent isnt at fault, they are and that should be expressed rather than pussy footing around their misery as tho they couldnt have avoided it when they quite clearly could have
Give an example where the cabinet the TV was on collapsed unexpectedly or where the parent was with the child and was beaten unconcious by the anductor and you have examples where avoidance was hard and they were being responsible
Infact as with the bath instance, a occurence thats pretty much unheard of before is getting a bit closer, but leaving children alone at home or in a hotel room away from home is NEVER acceptable and no amount of misery already felt by the slack parent should absolve them from it being called exactly what it is
Piss poor parenting
What “they” are already going through pales into insignificance compared to what the child has gone through as a result of their actions and pussyfooting around the facilitators feelings to me seems no better than pandering to a rapist because they are in jail and absolving them of their crime because of their suffering
Each person has to live with the ramifications of their actions, thats personal responsibility
Some things can to an extent be classed as hard to predict, but things like this are abhorrent selfish actions and piss poor parenting even if nothing happens to the child as a result but when they do a lifetime of unhappiness and chastisement of the parent for what they did still wouldnt come close to what the child had to go through because of their half assed approach to raising their offspring
Even one screw up of this type cant be ignored as it only takes one of them to be fatal anyway, if having romantic meals alone mean that much to someone then just dont bother having kids or make sure they are suitably supervised
Its hardly rocket science is it?
Leaving a child of that age alone in a bath is not much better than this really from a safety point of view
As for the telly, bit retarded if it could topple, and a 4 year old shouldnt be toddling about unsupervised anyway so the lie in IS still totally irresponsible
So rather than stating a counter you’ve just listed more equally bad examples of parenting, more similar examples of where a parent IS to blame for being lapse
Even where its a momentary lapse or an oversight it DOESNT mean the parent isnt at fault, they are and that should be expressed rather than pussy footing around their misery as tho they couldnt have avoided it when they quite clearly could have
Give an example where the cabinet the TV was on collapsed unexpectedly or where the parent was with the child and was beaten unconcious by the anductor and you have examples where avoidance was hard and they were being responsible
Infact as with the bath instance, a occurence thats pretty much unheard of before is getting a bit closer, but leaving children alone at home or in a hotel room away from home is NEVER acceptable and no amount of misery already felt by the slack parent should absolve them from it being called exactly what it is
Piss poor parenting
What “they” are already going through pales into insignificance compared to what the child has gone through as a result of their actions and pussyfooting around the facilitators feelings to me seems no better than pandering to a rapist because they are in jail and absolving them of their crime because of their suffering
Each person has to live with the ramifications of their actions, thats personal responsibility
Some things can to an extent be classed as hard to predict, but things like this are abhorrent selfish actions and piss poor parenting even if nothing happens to the child as a result but when they do a lifetime of unhappiness and chastisement of the parent for what they did still wouldnt come close to what the child had to go through because of their half assed approach to raising their offspring
Even one screw up of this type cant be ignored as it only takes one of them to be fatal anyway, if having romantic meals alone mean that much to someone then just dont bother having kids or make sure they are suitably supervised
Its hardly rocket science is it?
Look how about we all just stop the name calling and take a deep breath huh?
Try to think of it this way. What do you suppose happend before the parents went out for the evening (presumably with their ”friends”)? How about they all agreed to meet up in the ”local” taverna for a meal and a few drinks.
One says to the other – what about the children??? The other suggests that they will be perfectly safe on their own in the flat. We are only a few minutes away across the ‘village’ and one or other of us can pop back every so often to see that they are OK.
They agree that this seems OK after all what harm can three really young children come to on their own in a locked flat and anyway we will be in and out every so often won’t we?
THIS is where they went totally and utterly wrong. You simply CANNOT leave young children on their own in a strange flat in an overseas country and not expect SOMETHING to happen.
Yes it was a terrible thing that happened ….. BUT if they hadn’t left the children OR if they had taken them along with them and exercised BASIC parental duties and obligations then this would NOT have happened and the three children would still be safe and well and with their parents.
Sorry R.O.T.T, but I have to totally disagree with your previous point. My little girl is 9 now and I have never let her be unsupervised, either by me or by my wife or by both of us, for her entire life – I never have and I never would – not under ANY circumstances. If we want to go out somewhere then she either comes with us or we simply don’t go.All my friends clearly understand this and it has never ever caused an issue.
I don’t agree with watching over kids 24/7, not being critical or anything, just offering my opinion. When I was a kid, I was always wandering off to places my parents weren’t happy with me going to or doing things I wasn’t supposed to. But if they stopped me I’d have done it without their knowledge (which I often did anyway)
To me, that’s what being a kid was about. Being bad, mischevous and getting into trouble. Being robbed of the chance to throw stones at people I didn’t like or break windows playing football or anything else I wanted to do of my own accord would have taken away a huge chunk of my childhood. ‘Don’t talk to strangers’ was about as serious as it got.
Then the celts rose up, the romans left and it all went downhill from there on in lol
Most 4 year olds, infact most teenagers have as much roadsense as a blind retarded lemming, so letting a child of that age wander is idiocy
As you seem to like “examples” a 6 year old was killed not long ago because she wandered out infront of a lorry the driver of which couldnt see her because of how high off the ground the cab was and she died even tho he was doing less than 15 MPH in a 30 zone
So who’s to blame there then?
The child?
The lorry driver……
OR
The parents?
Thing i cannot understand on this ……………..And i’m trying so hard to see it from all roads
But I’m a mom of two and i have never left them out me sight …………….To me a family holiday is that for families
I never leave them in kids clubs and i wouldn’t leave them alone and they are 13 and 16 now
Been told i wrap them up in cotton wool i don’t give a sh ite I see kids as young as 4 upwards round here out till past 9 at night
Why have them if you don’t want them round you
My oldest never gos out i would rather a house full of her m8s than have her walking the streets
I just hope the lil girl is found OK but i just cant see it now
When your abroad all you see is the parents sunbathing and telling the kids to give them peace and quiet the amount of times i have sat there watching babies getting real close to the sea or running round the pool
Or wondering off Just so the mother or father can relax
If you have children then You look after them
And you make the sacrifice of not doing the stuff you did when you was single
As for leaving kids in the bath And having a lie in and leaving Lil uns to go down and watch telly on their own :shock: :shock:
I have never in all me life heard of that
Then people wonder why the kids are out of control they ain’t got a clue what being a family is
Sorry, but again some of these posts are alien to me cos of the freedom I and all my friends enjoyed. I don’t think any of us ever walked to school with our parents from the ages of seven onwards (infact, probably even younger) and our wandering off acts were regular before that.
That’s my memories of childhood. And it’ll be the same for all my friends at that age too. As for the example given by ubermilk about the wee girl being hit – I was very rarely careful crossing the road. Was that my parents fault? No, it was mine – I knew I wasn’t supposed to do it but it didn’t matter.
my parents left my sister and myself in the charge of our local church priest, you would think that would be a safe thing to do but he very nearly abused us,my sister who is a little older than me got us out of there pdq and nothing serious happened. the point is if a predatory paedophile has their eye on a child they will find a way to get to that child however careful you may think you are.
its a terrible thing that has happened to this family and the parents however wrong or naeve they may have been will never get over what has happened to this lill mite.
on the other side of the coin there are children in south america dumped to live in sewer pipes and beg for food and its not unknown for big business men to pay the police to soot the children as it makes the city a safer place for them to carry on their business.
there is many ways to look at child neglect but on the whole the children of our nation are well looked after, not forgetting the poor mites who are abused and beaten no where is perfect.
btw the child from the north east who was abducted from the bath and raped was known by her attacker he just picked his moment carefully as he knew she would be alone in the bathroom and it was easy to access from the back yard ..
Johnny, suppose this little girl HADNT been abducted, suppose she was then left time and time again and was lucky to never ever be abducted, chances are she would be just as idiotic when she started to spawn her own pack of feral vermin then when one of those went missing and was killed would probably be saying the exact same things you are
“well I was left and it nothing happened etc etc blah blah”
You could even run across a busy road wearing a blindfold and not get run over, would you then claim that theres no harm in that too just because YOU were lucky?
Theres a real and present danger, one that although it shouldnt cause total paranoia SHOULD cause common sense and a reasonable degree of care and forethought to prevail, none of those things were present in this instance
If people want to play russian roulette with their own lives I have no problem with that, if nothing else it cuts down idiotic people continuing to further pollute an already cess pit resembling gene pool, but thats THEIR life and they can do whatever the hell they want with it as far as I’m concerned. They dont however own their children or have the right to play or take chances with their lives EVER
So, uber, you think kids shouldn’t be allowed to live their own lives? I agree with the common sense part, it’s the part about wrapping kids up in cotton wool to the extent of not letting them out of your sight or allowing them to do things that they should be doing at that age. You can’t shield people forever and before you start saying ‘Well, you’re not a parent etc’ I know parents who say the same thing. Why? Because it’s a fact. That’s what my point was about – that I don’t necessarily go along with that particular idea. Not ‘leave your kids to fend for themselves, after all nothing happened to me’
Maybe I was lucky that nothing happened to me, but nothing happened to a lot of other people as well. Many of my friends have grown up to be responsible adults with responsible jobs and some are even responsible parents so that kind of ruins your theory of kids growing up to be idiotic cos of their childhoods. And before you jump on the term ‘Many’ a lot of those have simply chosen the wrong path. So I’m not unique in that sense, it’s not just MY (as you may see it) point of view that’s coming across. Yes, there is a very real threat today. It’s called the world we live and it won’t go away just cos we don’t like certain aspects of it.
What you also have to remember is that I’m talking about growing up in a time when nobody knew what paedophiles were, when everyone looked out for everyone else.
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