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9 August, 2006 at 9:00 am #234107
@slayer wrote:
parts of belfast and londonderry clearly are and I wouldn’t suggest otherwise- but to me, Northern Ireland demonstrated what happens when you do segregate communities- the demonisation of the other community, the polarisation of extreme views and the decades of work required to get 2 people, to actually talk to each other.
It will take decades more before the end result is proved to be successful but it has to be better than segregation
They are segregated , because say what you like about Emma ; she is right when she says people will stick with their “own”
Whether it be religion colour whatever – Take football crowds as a rather far fetched example – without segregation there woudl be blood baths every week
Unless your a Derby fan – cos there’s not enough supporters there to cause trouble !!!9 August, 2006 at 1:26 pm #234108oi cheek- there was a queue of 3 for the hot dog stand last week
I agree- people will elect to remain within their comfort zone hence the ex-pats who live in Spain tend to congregate in the same areas but does that mean they cannot integrate into the local economy, culture and environment?
It’s a chicken and egg- people stay within their comfort zone because they are scared to venture outside of it, yet the only way to break the fear is to step outside the box- catholics and protestants (for example) will never learn to live together unless they actually do that, will never learn about each other views, values and viewpoint (other than that espoused by the most vocal within their own community which, ala Ian Paisley, tend to be negative).
The dangers of demonising one section of a neighbourhood community are clear throughout history- Rwanda, Greek Christian and Turkish Muslims in the Ottoman empire, Bosnia, Nazi Germany-
The human race, for all it’s intelligence, very rarely learns from it’s mistakes and hence continues to make them.
Sunderland fans, for all their intelligence, very rarely learn from their mistakes and still go to the stadium of light!! :lol:
9 August, 2006 at 1:30 pm #234109Cheeky terwatt – I shall be there tonight in the hope of seeing a home victory for the first time in God knows how long
Failing than I shall probably throw myself off the Alexandria Bridge at approx 22:15 tonight !!!9 August, 2006 at 1:43 pm #234110@cath 55 wrote:
@emmalush wrote:
@Magoo wrote:
You could just as easily be talking about the Jewish faith in the middle east.
Then the same applies. Both want to live in a segregated world to us anyway. I say ok, get your own little corner of England, see how you live without us :D
ok Emma quantify segregated world to us????
Why?
9 August, 2006 at 1:44 pm #234111@slayer wrote:
@emmalush wrote:
@Magoo wrote:
You could just as easily be talking about the Jewish faith in the middle east.
Then the same applies. Both want to live in a segregated world to us anyway. I say ok, get your own little corner of England, see how you live without us :D
you could just as easily use the analogy of Catholicism and Protestantism- history shows the conflict and millions of lives lost in this battle across the western world and lately in Northern Ireland- are catholics and protestants incompatible and should be segregated and living apart?
If they want it. Which it seems they do.
9 August, 2006 at 1:47 pm #234112@slayer wrote:
parts of belfast and londonderry clearly are and I wouldn’t suggest otherwise- but to me, Northern Ireland demonstrated what happens when you do segregate communities- the demonisation of the other community, the polarisation of extreme views and the decades of work required to get 2 people, to actually talk to each other.
It will take decades more before the end result is proved to be successful but it has to be better than segregation
Its a shame humans arnt robots, then we could be programed to accept rock n roll even if we hate it with a passion.
You pro multiculturalists live in a dream world.
9 August, 2006 at 1:48 pm #234113@drivel wrote:
Cheeky terwatt – I shall be there tonight in the hope of seeing a home victory for the first time in God knows how long
Failing than I shall probably throw myself off the Alexandria Bridge at approx 22:15 tonight !!!I’ll keep my eye on the score and drop a call to North East ambulance service to be on standby for a distressed male wandering the Alexandria bridge crying “why, oh why couldn’t I have been a Derby fan” :lol: :lol:
9 August, 2006 at 1:52 pm #234114@slayer wrote:
I agree- people will elect to remain within their comfort zone hence the ex-pats who live in Spain tend to congregate in the same areas but does that mean they cannot integrate into the local economy, culture and environment?
Are you a pro multiculturalist because your family isnt all white/English?
It’s a chicken and egg- people stay within their comfort zone because they are scared to venture outside of it, yet the only way to break the fear is to step outside the box- catholics and protestants (for example) will never learn to live together unless they actually do that, will never learn about each other views, values and viewpoint (other than that espoused by the most vocal within their own community which, ala Ian Paisley, tend to be negative).
You say that like its against the law to do otherwise.
The dangers of demonising one section of a neighbourhood community are clear throughout history- Rwanda, Greek Christian and Turkish Muslims in the Ottoman empire, Bosnia, Nazi Germany-
Whats the answer?
The human race, for all it’s intelligence, very rarely learns from it’s mistakes and hence continues to make them.
Very true, we thought multiculturalism would work, how stupid we were.
9 August, 2006 at 2:02 pm #234115@emmalush wrote:
@slayer wrote:
I agree- people will elect to remain within their comfort zone hence the ex-pats who live in Spain tend to congregate in the same areas but does that mean they cannot integrate into the local economy, culture and environment?
Are you a pro multiculturalist because your family isnt all white/English?
Nah- I’ve always been like this since before I can remember- I’ve been treated well and been treated like sh/yte by all sorts of different creeds, colours and races. If anything my first wife (bwi), and now thankfully ex, would have made me a white supremacist but her actions where those of a woman and nothing to do with colour (and not typical of all women either).
9 August, 2006 at 2:20 pm #234116@slayer wrote:
Nah- I’ve always been like this since before I can remember- I’ve been treated well and been treated like sh/yte by all sorts of different creeds, colours and races. If anything my first wife (bwi), and now thankfully ex, would have made me a white supremacist but her actions where those of a woman and nothing to do with colour (and not typical of all women either).
Are you saying your an easily led individual?
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