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@Wordsworth50 wrote:
@mrs_teapot wrote:
. . . . . Actually words, when I spoke to my husband about this he made the same observation as you regarding Murdock, he added its easy to make a stand when the guy has no clout, they employed him they knew what he was like and they were happy for him to represent them. Says more about sky as an organisation that they only take action once he is outed publicly.
Teapot
And they kept him on. They’ve dismissed him at a time when he (allegedly) has questioned whether his phone has been tapped and when Sky is under major scrutiny about monopoly issues over the Murdoch clan’s juggling to keep it’s influence through broadcasting in the family.
Cant we just keep this in text lol….. 2 blokes having a laugh and getting caught out on microphone…i bet worse has been said in a womans toilet lmao……ohhhhhh i bet there are no takers on that one though !!!!!!
Conspiracy theorists unite! We have nothing to lose but it’s more fun than chillaxing.@ironduke wrote:
Cant we just keep this in text lol….. 2 blokes having a laugh and getting caught out on microphone…i bet worse has been said in a womans toilet lmao……ohhhhhh i bet there are no takers on that one though !!!!!!
Ah but there is the issue – context. Had the “banter” taken place down the pub, at home with friends, in a private conversation, then they may well have got away with it.
However it took place at work where you are expected to conduct yourself with a degree of professionalism, and they called into question the ability of a person to do their job based purely on their gender.
Putting conspiracy theories etc. aside for a moment, if you look back over the history of both men then it’s obvious this isn’t the first time they’ve been sexist in the workplace. They are both dinosaurs but it seems everyone knew that and their employers should really have nipped it in the bud a lot sooner, just as would have been done had they worked in an office.
Giles Coren, writing in the Mail today, pretty much summed up my thoughts on the subject;
To be a man in this country is constantly to have to apologise for oneself and to be ever so very careful about every sentence we speak or write which contains any reference at all to members of the opposite sex.
While at the same time, and this is the shame of it, we ourselves are fair game for women. While sexism from men is the outstanding social crime of the modern world, women can say absolutely whatever they like about us.
For make no mistake: sexism is alive and well in this country and applauded in all quarters — as long as it is practised by women. And they are allowed to say the most terrible, terrible things.
Only last week, for example, Jo Brand, the newly crowned Best Female TV Comic at the British Comedy Awards, was on Have I Got News For You and replied to the question ‘What’s your favourite kind of man, Jo?’ by saying: ‘A dead one.’ Oh, how the audience fell about. And the other contestants, all male, chortled away too.
I’m not saying it wasn’t funny. I’m just saying we live in a world where the thorough-going awfulness, uselessness and superfluity of the male sex is such a given, that a frontline television comic can get big laughs by saying she’d prefer it if we were all dead.
And I’m trying to imagine a world in which I am on that show and they say, ‘What kind of women do you like, Giles?’ and I reply: ‘Dead ones.’ I just don’t think it would get the same laughs, do you?
Here’s another of Jo Brand’s (excellent) gags. ‘What’s the way to a man’s heart? Straight through the chest with a kitchen knife!’ Again, not unfunny. But predicated on the idea that killing men is hilarious. Whereas killing women, as we all know, is a very serious affair and not to be joked about.
It’s not just Brand, it’s all women. ‘What do you call the useless flap of skin attached to a penis?’ they joke. ‘A man!’ they all reply, and clink their chardonnay glasses and chortle till dawn. How on earth did this get to be OK?
Actually, I don’t think that is ok but there you go. * shrugs shoulders *
@jen_jen wrote:
Actually, I don’t think that is ok but there you go. * shrugs shoulders *
*averts his gaze from Jens ample bosom because that would be frowned upon* :wink:
@yourchoice wrote:
@jen_jen wrote:
Actually, I don’t think that is ok but there you go. * shrugs shoulders *
*averts his gaze from Jens ample bosom because that would be frowned upon* :wink:
rofl! :lol:
Over the years I’ve got used to men talking to my bosom and, far from finding it offensive, I think it’s hilarious…but of course that’s not in a work environment :wink:
Actually that’s reminded me of a woman I used to work with many years ago, a pretty and shapely lady who was average at her job but somehow always seemed to get results. She usually wore Laura-Ashley-type clothes, but every so often would surprise us by coming in with a short skirt, high heels and so on and if anyone asked she would say she was going to dinner with her husband straight from work.
One day there were just the two of us in the office and I was starting to get a little stressed about a meeting with a senior manager the following day and whether I would get the commitment I needed for my project, and she said “oh he’s a pussycat, just wear a short skirt, cross your legs and let the skirt ride up and he’ll give you anything you ask for.” She couldn’t understand why I didn’t want to take her advice, saying “well if you’ve got it, use it, and if men are stupid enough to let it influence them then more fool them.” I was mortified at the suggestion but suddenly I realised how she got her results!
And no I didn’t wear the short skirt, and yes I did get what I needed by skilled negotiation!
harry enfield
he used to churn out some real good sexist stuff
was hilariouswomen just know your place :wink:
@terry wrote:
. . . . . For make no mistake: sexism is alive and well in this country and applauded in all quarters — as long as it is practised by women. And they are allowed to say the most terrible, terrible things[/i]
Really?
If I, with no love of football and no real knowledge of the game had managed to find an assistant referee’s outfit and walked out onto that pitch, no comment would have been made about my gender.
If Andy Gray had played with himself in my direction and invited me to tuck his shirt in, a lot of blokes would have thought me quite entitled to offer to punch his lights out.
Average pay for women is still around 15-20% less than men in jobs of equal value, never mind the low paid jobs a lot of women are expected to do – I think given the likelihood of 25% more pay I might swallow my dignity and accept a few ‘dead’ jokes, but for 20% less and a continuing battle for professional recognition (“do me a favour, luv”) I might just whinge a lot!
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